Two-voice piano notation: rests shift, beaming doesn’t

[Difil]

Hello everyone. In two-voice piano writing I’m running into this default issue with beam/rest placement:

instead of this

I can’t find any settings in Notation Options that affect the general behavior of beaming/rests in this situation.

Interestingly, it feels like the opposite of this thread: Default vertical rest position zero? - #4 by jasoneckardt
in single-voice writing the rest forces the beam to extend. With two voices, the rest shifts (correctly, from an editorial point of view) but the beaming doesn’t adjust accordingly.

Are there any known solutions so I don’t have to manually adjust the beams for every beamed group of four sixteenth notes? I’m preparing a piano reduction that’s absolutely packed with this figure…
Thanks

[Christian_R]

@Difil

Are there any known solutions so I don’t have to manually adjust the beams for every beamed group of four sixteenth notes?

Hi @Difil, there are two methods (maybe there are other but this is what I could find).
The 2nd method is better, I think:

1st Method

• increase this Engraving Option (this is global, so see how it influences other places in your Project):
  
  

OR

2nd Method

• activate the Stemlets in Notation Options:
  
  
• and then change this two Engraving Options:
  
  
  
  This second method leaves the stem length of the 16th notes without rests unaltered (as you can see in bar three)

[Janus]

@Difil

Are there any known solutions so I don’t have to manually adjust the beams for every beamed group of four sixteenth notes? I’m preparing a piano reduction that’s absolutely packed with this figure…

Alternatively you could simply filter for rests and and change the rest position property.

[Zalde]

All methods described above are helpful workarounds to fix this issue, but none of them should really have to be necessary. This should never be the default output (or any output, for that matter) of any notation program, especially not Dorico. This topic reminded me of the example in bar 2 below, which unfortunately also still has to be fixed manually if one wants to use the natural stem length Engraving option for eighth note beams.

[Difil]

Thanks @Christian_R. I need to evaluate the impact of the first solution in the overall context of the project. Unfortunately, the second one, although very clever, is not applicable to my situation. I’m preparing an edition for sale, and the publisher would certainly object to the stemlets in the secondary beaming…

[John_Ruggero]

OT. If you preparing an edition for publication, your might consider changing out the current piano brace for something more normal, like the older Dorico piano brace. Or there are some nice ones that benwiggy made and posted, one of which I now use.