Hi My name is bogdan. I’m switching from Finale to Dorico, but Im on a basic level. Recently I wrote triplet ( 8th note triplet) on a beat 4 ( in 4/4 rhythm ) and Dorico keep torturing me with extra triplet starting next bar .. How can I switch off this function ( meaning - I want triplet on beat 4 and I do NOT want triplet in a next bar .. please help me )) Best wishes _Boggie
You have to turn the triplet off in the left panel. Otherwise it just keeps doing triplets, which is handy in certain situations.
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Or with the shortcut key Shift+;
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What you did was write a 3:2q tuplet (which splits into 2 x 3:2e tuplets across the barline)
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Dear Janus )) Thanks for Your answer. But please bare in mind that I’m beginner .. so I should deliver info to Dorico that I want only one triplet - meaning 3:2q .. so I’m pressing #:2 on left hand side menu but .. it doesn’t change much .. Could You please advise something )) Thanks a lot Boggie
There are a few things here to clarify.
First, as a few people have said, tuplet mode in Dorico is sticky: it stays active until you turn it off. There is no way to tell Dorico, “I only want to input one tuplet”; you have to enter tuplet mode, enter the tuplet you want, and then exit tuplet mode.
Second, an eighth note triplet is 3:2e, not 3:2q. The way Dorico thinks of tuplets is X of something in the space of Y of that same thing. So 3:2e is three eighth notes in the space of two eighth notes. 3:2q would be three quarters in the space of two quarters.
Third, if you’re using the toolbar button, you need to make sure that you’ve selected the correct duration before pressing the button.
So here’s how you would enter a single eighth note triplet, using the toolbar button.
- Select the eighth note duration
- Click the tuplet button
- Enter your triplet
- Click the tuplet button again
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The standard format for tuplets is… x notes in the time of y notes, where x and y are both the same types of note (8th, quarter, half note etc.)
If you use the left hand panel, Dorico will create a tuplet based on whatever note duration you have currently selected.
So, if your current note duration a quarter , Dorico will create a tuplet of 3 quarters in the time of 2 quarters. But you are entering this on last beat of the bar, and there is only 1 quarter available in that bar, so Dorico will borrow the 1st quarter of the next bar and include that in the tuplet…
If you only want a tuplet on the last beat you must either change the current note duration to 8th (or use the ; popover like this note the e for 8th)…
Hope this helps.
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Mr Asherber … thanks for Your great explanation.. I’ve spent so many years working with Finale that is so different .. but now I’m trying to work also in Dorico because more and more friend of mine are doing so .. Thanks again for Your time and kindness ..My best regards. Boggie
Dear Bill , may I have one more request.. Say I try to copy 8th bars of lead sheet with chord changes on top .. so I press Control C and control V and at the end the music is being copied but .. without a chords .. how can I resolve it? I want to copy everything .. Thanks again. Boggie
Are the chords also selected (not only the notes) before copying?
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I’m not an expert as I do not use chord symbols, but it appears to me that if I click-select a measure it doesn’t highlight everything (including chords) unless I draw a selection box with the marquee tool. – Bill
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This is true. You can also select with the system track to make sure that everything gets selected.
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Good call. The system track is easier than the marquee.
::: Bill
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I have been using Finale since the very first edition (at the time in MS DOS environment, who the majority of you may not even know about) and purchased upgrades until Version 27.4.1 and than, out of the bleu Finale manufacturers (MakeMusic) say: “sorry folks, but we aint gonna do more of it, thank you so much of being so supportive but nevertheless, from now on, you’re on your own. In other words, we did enjoy taking your money and now we let you down. Thank you very much “MakeMusic” Isn’t there somebody who will place a bomb under their bulding (paid with all the money of their customers) I’d be happy to press “explode” button. And so now, we were advised to learn Dorico pffffffffffff, wat a mess. I’m 75 years old how am I ever gonna find my way in Dorico? At first I downloaded the Dorico SE version, just for trying it out, but very soon, I ran into so much troubles that I was almost ready to delete Dorico SE from my computer and than I discovered Dorico Elements. So I’m not a professional composer so I taught by myself, let’s not overkill and purchase the Dorico Pro version. So now I have downloaded the try-out version of elements. But now, all the same I have this tuplet bullshit that when I need a single tuplet with two quarter notes and 2 eight notes, Dorico Elements is still making fun of me and is so generous to give me two tuplets….who the zoinc needs to tuplets: tuplet were entered as a Have quater note in the space of two quaters notes, so not really need two add an extra tuplet, whould you agree on that? Seriously, I sure don’t at lease not if I’m not asking to…… So I’m literaly desperate. Tried Musescore (“the best notation software for the moment” as they advertise themselves) oh yeah, try this one : I needed tree grace sixteenth notes in front of a quater note like so; E F F# to G. Well, it didn’t worked out at all, at least not without using a second layer (voices) to do so but than troubles really start’s how does the software knows that I need the grace notes in front of the third quarter note in C or 4/4 on the first layer? Do you see the picture? It simply doesn’t so my final result: select Musescore and pressed the button as fast as I could . In thirty years I had no troubles whatsoever with Finale and now, we are practically forced to make a crossover to Dorico, but ladies and gentlemen, I don’t need two tuplets when I need only one. Is there a way arround and to be clear, I’ve tried all the above mentioned solutions but didn’t even succeed in finding what you guys called 3:2e of 3:2q. For your information, I do not live in the U.S. but in Belgium (Europe) could that be the difference? How ever, without any practically acceptable solution - so no bullsh…. - I will not pay for a software package that even can’t give their users the choise to choose from the proper (desired) tuplet, and again, no extra tuplets wanted! You can stick them where ever the sun does not shine, I DO NOT WANT THEM for crying out loud, Am I due to write my scores by hand in the next future? While even Dorico Elements doesn’t makes it easy for their customers. And oh yeah, that’s right, I almost forgot about it: an other thing to be trilled about, the Dorico note entering value keys are also other than Finale. Do you even can begin to imagine how much fun we former Finale users expierence using Dorico, in what ever version you want to? I rest my case, it’ll probably will not matter at all. Is there somebody who uses the Dorico Pro version and does encounter those very same problems? Because, if so : Select Dorico folder on your computer, push the delete button and all our troubles will be over, except, they don’t. Is there somewhere a company who produces another software without all these issues? I know, we will need to learn another notation language, no doubt about it, but please, let it be more easier to learn while I do play the alto saxophone in the key of Eb but write the scores with ther accompagnement chords in the Concert Key: I almost don’t dare to ask: how am I gonna to do so in Dorico to transpose ???
I also started Finale at the beginning, when it was Mac only. I am also 75. I had little if any problems transferring to Dorico, but I did not wait until the last minute, did not therefore layer any anger at Finale onto my entry into Dorico, and did not expect Dorico to be exactly like Finale.
Plenty of Finale alumni have happily used and become highly adept at using Dorico. If nothing else, Finale likely made us crafty at devising work-arounds, which pays off in Dorico too. No software does everything out of the box. A lot has to do with spending a little time with the software and being willing to learn (the “attitude thing”).
There are plenty of folks here happy to help with specific problems, but it goes without saying that if one doesn’t take their advice the path may be difficult.
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Start Note Input, then start tuplet mode by pressing ;. In the popover, enter 3:2q (three quarters in the space of 2) and hit Enter. Now enter your single tuplet, and turn off tuplet mode with Shift+; If you don’t turn off tuplet mode, you will continue to enter tuplets.
Or: Select the quarter note duration in the left panel. Click the tuplet button and enter your triplet. Then click the tuplet button again to turn off tuplets.
Well, Dorico is a different piece of software, and lots of things are different from Finale. They’re different in MuseScore, too, and in Sibelius.
In Setup mode, add an alto saxophone and a piano. Then in Write mode, you can either click the Concert Pitch button in the lower left (and then enter everything in concert pitch), or click the Transposed Pitch button (and then enter both parts as written, the sax part in Eb and the piano part in C).
It sounds like the things you are having problems with are actually pretty easy to do in Dorico, and as @Derrek says, there are plenty of people who are happy to help with specific issues. It can definitely be frustrating at first, but many of us started with Finale and have successfully made the switch to Dorico.
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A number of people have been recommending this series of videos to help moving from Finale to Dorico…
Overview | Finale to Dorico: Conquering the Transition Episode 1, with Jason Loffredo
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It’s quite easy to change this so that Dorico’s note values match Finale’s (I did it for a few months before going back to Dorico’s defaults). If you want to do it, someone here can explain the steps.
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