UR44 PLEASE HELP...!!!

Just a quick note to save anyone from more analysis. Once again, it was about misnaming and misleading terminology. IMHO, Steinberg need to christen things and say so upfront and, if they feel it’s necessary to change any terms/descriptions, SAY so and also update their wording.
‘Devices’ was a good example but a better one is the one that has caused me to work through Christmas.
The misnomer is the word TRACK!!
Thanks to Yamaha’s explanations I found that in order to hear midi you need to send each, and every, midi signal back through “TRACK 3” to play the tone generator in MOX. They should have used the correct description, which is “CHANNEL 3” It should NOT take someone 8 days to discover what should be made obvious!!!
It’s now working fine, no thanks to Steinberg, nor Yamaha. Thanks, Steve, for trying and I hope this helps you and others, too.

I’m Back… I overcame the above issues but now need a mix between the DAW for Headphone 2 for the Vocalist.DAW is Cubase Artist 9.5 on Mac Mini I have several existing projects (not using the UR44 Templates) I need to have the Mix Control slider in these projects. How do you access this UR44 Mixing Board without using the UR44 Templates. All I need is to control the DAW level for vocal recording.

Hello, it’s me, John, again.I’ve spent more days trying to find someone who knows the UR44 and how to use it in Cubase. (I had to revisit the manual to check a ‘casual’ sentence (again) that says the UR44 DSP mixer is usable with any DAW “OTHER than Cubase.” It does not say how you set up, use, and configure the tracks/setting/sends etc to enable control of the Vocal recording level and the DAW music backing tracks level.

My UR22 had a simple ‘balance adjust knob’, so I was able to adjust/hear my vocal going in, whilst adjusting/listening to my music tracks. I had no latency issues. I am now into my 6th week of not being able to get the UR44 to function simply.
I am amazed at the pathetic Yamaha/Steinberg instruction and lack of info/support.
I would’ve thought that, after years of existence of the UR44, the MAIN (pro) function would have been addressed. That is simply recording a vocal to existing music tracks in Cubase. (Something that EVERY user surely does?)
I have run out of patience with (non=Steinberg) tutorials and manuals, NONE of which address this. Why haven’t Steinberg?
I have gotten to the stage where it appears I need to set up additional GRP, FX, Busses, Hardware tracks etc in order to control the UR44 from within Cubase to simply hear myself when recording vocals.(???) I am not the best at technical issues regarding recording but I am good at my English and learning. Does anyone know where I can find a simple Overview of how to set up and use this over complicated way of monitoring. If the answer is to slow down my workflow, instead of tweaking a “Balance knob” as in the UR22, then I guess I’ll have to sell the UR44, as it’s too late to send it back.
Please, can someone…, anyone… help, or direct me to some sensible, logical straight forward answers.
Thanks. John

If you have one question that needs one answer we can start with that. I’m sorry, I can’t make out what you need to know from your post.

Sorry, Steve. Too many related issues. So, let me focus on what I think I know. One question is difficult, so I’ll list the minimum related ones.

  1. Is the UR44 hardware control box unrelated/no use when using Cubase? (So, “Scenes” and MIX1 and MIX2 are only used with other DAWS?)
  2. If it boils down to directly monitoring my Audio/vocal (MONITOR track?), then how, and what tracks do I need to use/route?
    (The templates that appear in my hub help a little but the renamed channels/tracks are confusing. eg There is no Stereo Out)

Honestly, I can’t make out what you’re asking, but I can deduce that you’re missing some of the basic info about how to use the device, so–

If you are using Cubase, the full controls for the UR44 can be accessed via the Hardware tab in the mixer, on the input channels.
see:https://i.imgur.com/Evz6ltw.gif

You also must turn on Direct monitoring in Studio Setup.
see: http://imgur.com/bN3xEbY.gif

I’m away from my DAW (by roughly half a planet of distance) but I will guess a little at the questions and suggest a setup based on how I use my UR44 with Cubase. Unfortunately I can’t show images which would make this a lot easier. I’ll use dot points since it will be a week before I get back. It might get you started - it might just confuse but I’ll show images when I get back if you are still stuck:

  • Cubase is fully integrated with Ur44 and provides Direct Monitoring, DSP for Reverb and Guitar FX so you can use these during monitoring without latency (and without recording them). All of this is directly integrated in Cubase using teh Hardware tab as steve points out in the previous post.
  • As a result of the above you don’t need to use the DSP Mix FX software at all when in Cubase
  • I find the best option for routing the UR44 is to use the Control Room. In the control room:
    ++ Set up the Main mix to connect to UR44 Mix 1 (if I recall correctly the Outputs tab will show no connection, the Control Room takes over this duty - shame I don’t have Cubase with me. Just setup the Control room and ignore the other tab if it changes).
    ++ Set up Headphones to connect to UR44 Mix 2
    +++ Plug your headphones into Headphone 2 port and set Headphone 2 port to use the Mix 2 bus (in the Audio Hardware panel accessible from Cubase)
    ++ For a Vocal Monitor mix - setup a Cubase Cue Mix, and don’t worry about routing it anywhere at all - you’ll see why in the next point
  • With control Room enabled the Cubase Right panel will show both the Headphone and Main mix controls - importantly you can set either the Main Mix or the Headphones to monitor the Main stereo bus or the Cue Mix. You can thus get the headphones to listen to the cue mix for your vocalist. And you can check it on your monitors as well.
  • Using the Hardware tab in the mixer that steve points out you can set up a channel strip and reverb and have these route to Mix 2 so the monitor mix includes some realtime effects (like comfort reverb or EQ corrections). The same panel allows you to set whether or not Cubase records the dry signal or the effect chain as well.

Everything you want, and more, is available via the UR44, its just a matter of taking one step at a time to understand how the signals flow in Cubase and which interface elements are needed to configure that.

Sorry I can’t send pictures right now, it would definitely help.

Cheers

Rob

Thanks, Rob, for your prompt and full reply. Unfortunately, it appears based around Cubase but I have Cubase Artist 9.5 which, I understand does not have a Control room.
When I opened one of the newly installed UR44 Templates from my Hub, the Mono 1, 2 and 3/4 INs appear (renamed) as UR44 in-1, 2 and 3/4. Now, when I open a new Project, the Project window is configured differently (the two Mixer consoles appear and I have access to "UR44 channels - UR FX Bus and UR44 Mix 1. (I guess I’ll need to reconfigure all my window settings). I guess UR44/Cubase integration has caused this? OK, I’ll deal with that but I still have the following issues.

  1. Am I supposed to have (or create?) a fader channel/track that controls the level of my Audio Vocal track only, when recording vocals? (Within UR44 - direct). I can’t find how to adjust the level and balance between existing music/backing tracks (Stereo Out?) and recording vocals.
  2. Do I have TWO H/phone Mix options; as is in the UR44 blue settings box? (I was using this before I realised that box is for other DAWs). Please confirm that the Hardware box and mixer, Scenes, etc are NOT needed with Cubase.

Here is what I expect but can’t achieve:

  1. To hear and blend my music/backing with my IN-going vocal when recording it.
  2. What do I need to do to route/send/insert, or Out the necessary signals to achieve this. (Routing etc is a weak area of mine, as is the basics of recording).
  3. Why has a MONITOR channel/track appeared in my system? When adding busses in Audio Connections, I see this but not HEADPHONES.
  4. If this is ever resolved, will I be able to integrate/use DSP in my existing Projects?

NB: I had a UR22 and had no latency issues. Since I started using UR44, latency occurred, so my vocals recording did, too. So, I feel I’ve gone backwards and lost in tech-speak (and awful, vague instructions…lol).
I will now call Steinberg, as I have exhausted all my possibilities. (I did this in Dec but got nowhere, even with a Remote Assist).
I await your response; and thank for trying.
John

Sorry, I didn’t pick up on your using Cubase Artist, the lack of Control Room integration won’t be a show stopper. Without my DAW though I’m not quite sure how to set up the routing, or more correctly, not quite sure how to explain setting up the routing without screenshots.

As you’ve self identified, the issue is getting your head around the signal paths. It also sounds like your Audio Connections setup is a bit off (FX Bus isn’t useful for what you are seeking to achieve,I and have no idea why it would default to that now unless at some point it was accidentally setup that way in Audio Connections).

I’ll be back with me DAW on the weekend and will see what I can figure out and send some screenshots.

Cheers

Rob

Thanks, again, Rob. Bad news:
After trying to figure this problem, Steinberg (by remote Assist) say that;

  1. it’s not possible to use the DSP as set up for non-Cubase users!!! (Nonsense??)
    2)) I’m not able to use the H/phone Mix1 and Mix2, or use and store “Scenes” (unbelievable!)
  2. I am also not able to have/use a dedicated monitor fader to balance music with recording vocal tracks!
    (Their Techie and Supervisor) verbally admitted that it does not do what it claims to do. Their ‘solutions’ (which they admitted were “work-arounds”) were as follows:
  3. To 'Q-LINK my music/instrument faders and bring them all down to better hear my recording vocals going in!
  4. Resend all the music tracks to a Group track (preMaster Buss) to give me separate control/balance.
  5. Use the UR44 Morph FX Gain to increase vocal level. (Pretty dumb, really as that will increase my vocal signal)

Steinberg also advised me to go back to using my UR22, which has the simple blend knob!!
Tracy (my girlfriend and helper) bought me this UR44 for Xmas and she still can’t accept that it’s a failed, misleading product, or that Steinberg have the audacity to still sell it. No wonder the manual is misleading, confusing and omitting the basic set up and what to expect
She is now reluctantly having to go through more hassle with Amazon and the supplier to get a refund - possibly rejected because there is no ‘good reason’ to return it. The only thing I gained from using this otherwise worthless product, is having more than two inputs. I only ever need 3. One for a mic and 2 for my stereo Keyboard (MOXF8).

I still share Tracy’s disbelief and doubts that this product is a bad as, even, Steinberg admit and that it could be down to untrained Techies and Manual writers. So, I will look forward to your response, or anyone in here (esp Steinberg) who can give me a definite and final solution.
Cheers,
John

PS:Rob - FYI (and anyone else who didn’t know)

Just had it confirmed by Sweetwater Engineer that it’s not usual for Interfaces to have a ‘balance knob’…! Apparently, “The UR22 is a rare exception with a knob to control balance between vocal input and DAW.”
Apparently, it’s normal for an Engineer to link the DAW, or music tracks, and pull them down if one can’t hear the vocal.
I’ll have to accept that and revert to using my UR22, as the UR44 is an expensive tool to have only extra inputs and less control. I’ll first re-check to see/hear if I, now, have a Latency issue with UR22. If so, then I guess i’ll sell it, instead.
Cheers,
John

The program dspMixFx exists for use cases where Cubase is not being used. The reason for that is that all the functions of dspMixFx are integrated into Cubase, but are not integrated into other daws. The UR44 provides reverb and compression on the input bus inside the box, has two output mixes, has two headphone outputs that can be separately routed. and more that differentiates it from the UR22.

I use my UR44 daily and it does everything as documented. I use it with Cubase, and occasionally with Audacity, the famously free basic audio recorder. When I use it with Audacity I use dspMixFx to access the features of the device. I can say that everything works.

Hi Steve, Thanks for posting but two issues make it indefinite regarding what UR44 does do. 1) You are using Cubase Pro, I am not, so I don’t have a Control room as robw referred to (ABOVE). 2) We are prevented from opening the UR44 software mixer at the same time because Cubase is using the same USB.
I assume you’re saying that integration w/Cubase, somehow, means they’ve transferred the mixer/controls and 2 Phones presets (Mix1 and Mix2) to Cubase. There is no Monitor connection in Audio Connections but…
… I have gained only two mixers in my Audio Connections drop down menus. ‘UR44 Mix1 and UR44 FX Buss’. They appear as Stereo OUTs (the fader knob is red). By (UR44) default, these two appear in my project and my tracks are sent out to the ‘UR44 Mix1’ as a Stereo Out (like a Master Bus.

I’ve re-read manuals, forums and even had a Remote Assist and I feel I know this product better than the Steinberg Tech guys I spoke to…lol. I am well aware of what I have with this UR44 in terms of the 'features. The problem appears to be that nowhere can I find how it’s supposed to be set up, or work. I’ve seen a tutorial where the Cubase guy is using a 16 channel Lynx Audio Interface and he can bring up the software controls/mixer whilst in Cubase… Just as, I’m sure, anyone using the UR44, but NOT with Cubase, can…???

John, I remember you from before- you appear to not read all the way through the posts where people are trying to help you.

  1. You do not need the control room nor the dspMixFx software,
  2. Cubase Artist has the same functions in regard to the UR44 as Cubase Pro
  3. I refer you to my post above: https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=827836#p827836 Read it, and open the images.

I offer paid Cubase coaching, and as we previously discussed you can avail yourself of it if you like. PM me. Good luck to you.

Steve, I have watched and read everything but the problem is understanding terminologies and HOW. Your GIFs only showed checking the Dir Mon box and moving the Reverb FX send. I believe I do understand how the UR44 should work but I have yet to understand the bussing/routing and which channels (names?) I have to use to enable proper use of the UR44.
I am absorbing a lot of info that leads to many failure options. Meaning it’s even more difficult to go down yet another ‘route’ and forget some of what I’ve ‘learned’. So, I started again with Template, which I wrongly expected to be set up and ready to record a vocal.
I’ve even looked at the wiring diagrams but that doesn’t clear things, just adds more confusion. I have yet to see either a layout drawing, pictures, or a simple step by step list and what to look for.

Ignoring MIX 2 (monitor) for now:
As I, now, understand it; The Mix 1 Channel (Stereo out) is also MIX 1 Monitor channel(?) It should also be monitoring (directly) the vocal signal going into the Input 1 (mic) of the UR44. (Not the Mono 1 [“UR44 in-1”] in the DAW) (?)
I have tried using a Group channel for the DAW music but I still cannot hear the direct vocal signal - although I can record it.

I won’t mention anything else but focus on asking:
How to I route/send etc the signal path directly from the UR44 to a Monitor channel; and how do I mix these to blend what I hear when recording vocal? (I am confused because the existing Templates set up don’t work for me. And, because they appear to have been renamed, I cannot identify what is supposed go where etc.
I now have 2 (red) Stereo Out(?) channels showing in the Template. One is named “UR44 Mix 1” and the other is “UR44 FX Bus”.
I am able to add Busses/channels (that are available), like Stereo Outs but they do nothing.

PS: I repeat that the Steinberg Techies said the UR44 does not work as I am being told!

PPS. As I am hoping to directly monitor the recording vocal IN signal, should I be ignoring, or resetting the Audio vocal track in the DAW?
Are some Routings/busses hidden (in the background) that are working?

To Directly Monitor Vocal in signal with the UR44 just click the little speaker icon on the track you are trying to record. The UR44 support Direct Monitoring.
You can check Direct Monitoring is on in the ASIO Driver Setup Page (pg 15 of the Cubase Artist/Pro 10 manual).
The screenshot in the manual shows Direct Monitoring as off, you want to TICK that box.
Pg 268-271 Show where to find the little speak icon for MONITOR, and also explains the 3 different types of monitoring available.
Of these only two matter in your case:

  1. Monitoring via Cubase (without ASIO Direct Monitoring enabled) - You hear exactly what Cubase produces on that channel you monitor, complete with all the latency from the plugins. This is NOT what you want.
  2. ASIO Direct Monitoring - With this ticked in the ASIO Driver setup Cubase and the UR44 cooperate. For the track you are monitoring the UR44 will do all the processing and Cubase will do none. The you hear what the UR44 is producing, including any UR44 enabled hardware fx and channel strip. No latency is cause by the UR44 hardware FX. This is what you want. For all the other tracks playing Cubase will do its usual thing and will automatically do the delay compensation to ensure everything syncs up like it should.

ASIO Direct Monitoring is far superior to your old UR22s mix knob.

Watch this as well - the ASIO Direct Monitoring check box in use and the HW FX in use with the monitoring button turned on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQTNHj8XvCg

OK, got it to work using a Group track (Music) and Aux track to be able to hear vocal recording in H/phone1 and in Mix1(Stereo Out); and HP2 in Mix2 where I match/blend the Group/music level fader with the vocal, while recording it.

Thanks, Rob. I’ve already watched this video. Unfortunately, it doesn’t deal with audio/vocal recording and how to set up headphone 1 and 2, or how to Route, Send etc, or where to…?? Surely, that has to come first, before FX and this guy only talks about FX.
We’ve figured out most of it and I have just recorded a vocal. Just gotta figure how to let Tracy hear it in H/phone1/Stereo Out. Main thing is, that I can hear my vocal when recording it. (I opened an Aux track to hear vocals) I can then mix in the Group Track I’ve opened, with the Music/backing being Routed to it… all in H/phone 2.