Usage of Dorico 4 and Cubase 12 at the same time

I cannot get this to work. Are you saying you COPY from the Tempo track in Dorico and PASTE into the Cubase Tempo Track Editor? When I COPY tempo points from Dorico and then go to Cubase, the PASTE function is not even available to me. I wonder how you are doing this?
This would be very helpful if I can get it to work.

Sorry, obviously I had info in the clipboard that made me believe at the time that it worked and made a summary in my notebook.
But here is a workaround (1 more, the shortage of paracetamol is announced!):

idem in play mode view:

-. 5 You just have to select the points copy them and paste where you want…

Thank you Dup, and I’m sorry about the lack of headache medication. Quite frankly moving tempo changes back and forth is a headache, and this is why the main thrust of my previous post was about having some sort of ‘Steinberg Bridge’ that enables this kind of back and forth tempo manipulation in a much easier way. I’m more interested in sending tempo information to Cubase from Dorico rather than the other way around, and of course there is the established method outlined above - it’s just not very flexible, because of course as soon as you change something in Dorico, like adding a ‘Rall’ for example, you have to repeat the whole process again.

I wonder if Daniel could chime in with any insights into the possibility of syncing the two programs together in a robust way. There has been several mentions over the years about the wish to bring the two programs closer together, but how is this likely to manifest itself? Is a ‘Steinberg Bridge’ any kind of possibility?


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just realised – I’ve never really experimented with Dorico to Cubase MIDI export before – that in fact with MIDI export, the patch changes are indeed written into the Key Editor information, as are the controller lanes edits. So in fact a quick test project with various patch changes renders exactly the same in Cubase as in Dorico. Apologies to those who already realised this but it then begs the question about why it is difficult to do some final finishing of a Dorico project in Cubase using the more sophisticated filter, tempi, logical editor among others features which are more powerful in the DAW than Dorico as things stand? I obviously have a lot still to learn here – and my Cubase skills which were never great to begin with have become rusty after years of little use.

There are some limitations though and here is one of 5 frustrations from the other day when I thought I could do something in 10 minutes and it took me several hours:
The midi export in Dorico works in a limited way: you can’t save in a single file if there are several Flows … each flow is exported in one file so that your project will be divided into as many flows as you have: really special! A bit as if in software like Adobe Indesign or Afiinity Publisher you wanted to export your work in pdf and suddenly you would have lots of pdf: one per chapter!

The workaround (for collectors), you can go here to merge all these midifiles into one:
Merge MIDI files, Combine MIDI files into one midi file | Bear File Converter - Online & Free
but you adjust a little each midi/flow because it shifts a little each time…

example of shift, here the import in Cubase of 15 merged midifiles and the picture show the 4th: (zoom to see better the verticallity

I’m aware of that and thought it wouldn’t be an issue – on the other hand, if you cannot place MIDI files into an existing project and retain tempo information, then indeed it is something of an drawback. It would be good if Dorico could merge flows-- at least in the situation where there are no changes to the instrumentation or anything else material to the MIDI information, otherwise it’s probably far from trivial to implement.

Still, as the main point of further work in Cubase would be to prepare for rendering audio – where the files could easily be merged together, perhaps this particular issue shouldn’t be exaggerated unless you’re in the habit of creating a lot of flows with no pause between them.

Interested in what the other 4 frustrations are?