User defined instruments and playing techniques

Hello,

I am one of the users who’ve been forced to switch from Finale to Dorico and all in all I am happy with that. So many things are better and more convenient.

As a composer who uses very often non-western instruments, mostly asian my wish is to have:

  1. Self-defined instruments
  2. Self-defined playing-techniques

Yes, of course there is the workaround to choose an instrument and change the name. But if I choose e.g. flute instead of daegeum (a Korean bamboo flute, which is capable perform many kinds of bends and glissandis) pitch wheel effect is disabled in the instrument definition (which is not correct, also a western flute can bend tones).

I ended up to choose violin as the template, which works but that is far away from a “pro”-software. Everywhere appears violin instead my changed name daegeum, e.g. when I cutout a system, the info-box says “Beginning cutout violin” (or similar, I am working in german language).

If one can imagine, instruments of other music cultures have different playing-techniques or similar techniques are called differently. Nowadays this kind of euro- or western-centric limitations are embarrassing.

Other small things (like placing the end of slur wherever I want and not where Dorico thinks, it is correct) are belonging to the topic “let me as an artist and professional composer decide how to notate”, but for now I have to learn Dorico more deeply.

Cheers

Il-Ryun Chung

Hi, welcome to the forum!

Did you have a look at this for creating custom instruments?

Or here for creating playing techniques

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I would recommend to study the different Endpoint position options in Engrave Mode before trying to do something for each slur.

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Il-Ryun Chung,
welcome to the forum.
For playback of these techniques you can install the Gugak VST sound libraries, as mentioned in this video.
The software is provided by the Seoul National University:

or in English:

Besides many other instruments you will find VST samples for Sanjo Daegeum and Jeongak Daegeum.
If I understand correctly you will need the full Kontakt Player to work with these libraries.
Another option by Native Instruments is to buy the East Asian collection, which also offers a Daegeum as part of their instruments, possibly with somewhat better quality than the previously mentioned:
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spotlight-collection/east-asia/

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Well, thanks for the replies, but since you have to choose an existing playing technique to setup an expression map to route the techniques to be played correctly by the sampler, that is the problem. You have constantly to choose some similar techniques (or sometimes totally different ones instead, that is a workaround - not a solution.

And in the instrument settings there is no spot to change the behaviour for glissando. At least that I would need.

Thanks for the link, but I have my own sample-library and the library is not problem.

Its the behaviour of Dorico to define in a black box, what instruments could do or not do.

I am no expert on audio at all, but don’t the playing techniques depend on the audio samples your sound library offers and how you setup your expression maps?
Excuse, if I come over stupid, but I don’t have any knowledge in this field, just reading these forum topics as a by-passer.

If I read the help pages (as provided by @TonH) one can also setup new playing techniques.
Also, have you looked at the vast collection of SMUFL font glyphs at this link? There might be font glyphs for your playing techniques already to use:

There us also the possibility to report and request missing Symbols, have a look here please:

As an example, here you will find some “bend” symbols (usually for brass instruments, but they might be usable for your purposes):

I have to add a point: This post is addressed to the makers of Dorico.

What would Dorico make real “pro” (and not not just a part of the name) would be the possibility to pass by all the limitations caused by corrections Dorico is doing because of musical grammar, which are all correct - but sometimes one would like to notate something different.

And, what I mentioned in the first post, please give us a blank instrument template with all tweaks and a blank playing technique. I can’t imagine that this is so difficult. You could hide i somewhere so that it would not cause problems for mainstream users.

Il-Ryun Chung,
a. general advice for this forum, especially if you like to reach the developers: please try to avoid assumptions of this kind - this is not how to make friends :wink:
Best, if you have a good suggestion, post (and flag) it as a Feature Request.
“Our” Dorico developers (a small team of a few extremely talented and creative people) do actually take all user wishes and suggestions into account; and you can be sure if the suggestions are good intelligent and useful, you will see them in a future update.

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According to the manual linked above you can create a new playing technique

  1. Create a new playing technique in one of the following ways:

    • To create a blank playing technique, click New image in the playing techniques list action bar.

And you can create new playback techniques too

Playback techniques list

Contains all the playback techniques in the project within the currently selected category.

The action bar at the bottom of the list contains the following options:

  • image New: Adds a new blank playback technique.
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