It is hard to deny that the glass is still half empty… But it sure is half full as well, and this is very promising.
The results one can get if putting the necessary work are totally amazing, but it could get awesome with the additions we’ve all talked about : more languages, Dynamics, operatic and choir voices, yeah ARA support or something like that from Dorico would be a bomb !!
Indeed - for composing purposes the whole work flow has to be automatic. I could cope with having to export a music XML before I auditioned something but I certainly couldn’t cope having to redo all the dynamics.
Its partly cultural - if (like them) you’re creating music for a mobile world in which all the sound levels are compressed into an incredibly narrow range the dynamics hardly matter.
[‘Start Rant’] But art/classical music is not like that. Indeed I’d say dynamics is one of the major features of classical music that folks miss out on when they never hear any live [End Rant’]
So today the AI singer goes from whispering intimately into your left ear right through to shouting off the rooftop but the actual sound pressure level doesn’t change!!
To be clear, in the case of Synthetizer V, it is capable of the finest nuances in expression and dynamics… but you have to start from scratch after importing the XML, and there is a lot of work involved, the equivalent of rehearsing with a very good singer to whom you’d have to give lots and lots of indications.
But the end result can be magic (if the voice style fits the composition of course) !!
yes completely true and if the work is finished it’s not an issue. The big problem you have is if you want to audition an incomplete work and then want to make changes. Even a live singer will at least remember what dynamics you had previously!
You are absolutely right, it is a great production tool already but it lacks a lot as compositional tool, it’s all about creating a proper workflow, and this will require work on the Dorico team as well (ARA type of thing). The problem is Dorico seems still unsure how to deal with audio in the future.
Actually, a person called Alex mentioned in the comments during the Discovery Video, how using Synth V allowed him to import Audio tracks in Dorico without having to resort to tiresome trick of first converting it to video !!!
This proves that some collabs and future developments could benefit a lot of people around here !
Something that no one raised during the Discovery session is the Yamaha vocal synth that’s included (in beta form) with the new version of Cubase. It’s surprisingly good, for all its limitations – entering lyrics, for instance.
Hi @Robert-Glotzbach, I found Galenaia on the Eclipsedsounds website, not on the Dreamtonics site, however, have you tried her singing in English yet?
95% in Dorico. I had to do the tempo changes and voice dynamics in Logic Pro, but …
This is Felicia with Opera setting about 1/2 way. A bit of VSL reverb and the manual tempo changes in both Logic and Synth V. It’s a mezzo so it struggles with the key of Bb in a few places. I think the word “promising” is a bit of an understatement.
EDIT, just listened to the mp3 and it seems the rendering is a bit “left stage-side heavy”. Oh well, you all get the gist of it.
You are clearly very close the 95% mark in terms of the singing performance, but I would personally try to improve the pronunciation a good bit though, as it is a little too far from the best examples I’ve heard so far in this regard, if I may say.
Keep at it !
Absolutely. I just didn’t want to spend more than an hour on this (bled over into 1.5 hours, but…) My main task with the above was to learn Synth V tempo and dynamics. Now that I have a handle on those important aspects, next time I’ll devote more time to phonemes.
After a second listen, the dynamics do sound very good and I found the pronunciation not as problematic this time around.
Anyway for 1,5 hour of work this is on a very good track and already very musical… Congrats !!
Has anyone using Dorico Pro’s latest version and Synth V Studio 2 run into basic problems of exporting/importing voice parts? Granted I just got the app yesterday and watched John Barron’s video on it’s integration/workflow, which seemed pretty straight forward.
I’m trying to emulate what John did, with a coral piece from Carter.
Exported a custom layout with voices only. I set up the Synth V as a plugin in Dorico, assigning this to each voice.
With Synth V’s window open, I dragged the xml file into it, but nothing happened; meaning the file was rejected, or simply didn’t take.
So I’m wondering what I’m missing/doing wrong.
You need the 2.2 beta version of Synth V… I had the same problem.
Tom Kearney
Can “ordinary” people get the 2.2 beta version? I used the beta switch on the Synth V site, but I 'm pretty sure I only got the 2.1 version.
Links to download the 2.2 beta version can be found here:
https://forum.dreamtonics.com/t/synthesizer-v-studio-2-pro-2-2-0-beta/7211
Very cool. As a demo for a layperson, this is actually good enough already.
John’s presentation actually got me thinking a bit: It would be fabulous if the hook that was implemented into Dorico to accommodate Cantai could be somehow repurposed into transferring lyrics into SynthV as well… Dreamtonics clearly have shown an interest in notation software, since they provided the app to John to test and present it like that… 
Hey @Grainger2001…. It’s strange; after doing a search on Dreamtronics, I found the Galenia voice and installed it from there as a 7 days Demo. But now I can’t find it after a search anymore, although it’s still in my account. I have included 3 voice samples for you to listen to. The first is Galenaia, second is Solaria 2 (also from EclipsedSounds) and the third is Natalie 2. They are all in their default setting. Let me know what you think…
Best, Robert
Apparently there are plans to update the ARA framework to allow hosts to pass lyrics to plugins.
This is the interface that’s used by plugins such as Melodyne to receive individual changes from the host into the plugin without having to export and import.
If so, then this could be a standard way to do it at some point in the future.
For my purposes, definitely. One of the many things I find amazing is the smarts to pronounce “the” differently depending on the following word (“the(e)” earth compared to “the” heart). These subtleties out of the box make it amazing to work with.
Hi @Robert-Glotzbach Thankyou…Galenaia sounds better singing in English in your short clip than in the YouTube demo I heard. The second voice sounds more suitable for musical theater and the third for pop. Galenaia is the only one I’d be interested in.
I think we all have to bear in mind that this is really just the beginning of this type of functionality and it is only going to improve. Cantai still looks very promising (I was as early subscriber) and of course that renders in the App with no XML export necessary so that is a huge advantage. Maybe the ARA implementation mentioned above will also facilitate that with Synth V eventually.
There will surely be a decent choir at some point, too.
It’s all amazing…the technology like Spectral Waves and others with the ability to de-mix a track and pull a vocal out is still particularly mind boggling to me!