Vertical spacing above a grand staff

hiya – I’m having trouble working out which spacing variable is controlling the space above a grand staff (and below a group). This is the score layout I have:
Singers (not braced together)
Two percussion (bracketed together)
Piano (grand staff)

Does anyone know if this gap is controlled by Staff Group to Staff, Staff Group to Staff group, Staff to Staff, or Braced Staff to unbraced Staff? I’m stumped!

Hi @Schweinhorn you can try for yourself (what I did just now :slight_smile: )

If you put both these Vertical justification values to 100%, Then Dorico will only take into consideration your Ideal gaps. And so you can freely experiment and find the logic behind the Ideal Gaps, seeing immediately their effect:

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