Very sadly I will never purchase Dorico

As I’ve said in reply to a number of comments with similar sentiments on the blog over the last day or so, I hear you loud and clear on this point. We do not want our licensing technology to be an obstacle to buying Dorico. We are not going to be in a position to release Dorico without some kind of licensing system in place, and we are also for practical reasons limited to the options that our eLicenser technology provides. Please let me revisit this issue with my colleagues, and I will come back to you with further information.

The trend is away from dongles. And yes, dongles get cracked too. So you think that non-dongled software is unprotected? I don’t think you understand this subject very well.

Thank you for your response Daniel. I was truly heartbroken when I learned of the licensing limitation. I have followed you since the early Sibelius days and I have enormous respect for you. This post gives me hope and I will follow this issue with great interest. Thank you for all you do and have done!

No, sadly, they don’t but that is still not a good solution since I also use it for private lessons. Also whenever I have a little time I can work wherever I am if it is on my laptop.

Your hymn book analogy does not work for software. The price is comparable with the industry and is not relevant to this subject. Doing what you do will not work for me since I also need to run large projects that would not run on my laptop - only on my far more powerful desktop.

a music teacher?

here´s a solution: you can buy the EDU Version = half price = 2x Dorico!

:slight_smile:

Pricing & availability


€349 – Educational pricing for qualifying teachers and students* :bulb:

€299 – Special time-limited crossgrade pricing for qualifying Sibelius and Finale users* :bulb:


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Thanks Daniel - fwiw, if you need to convince the folks at Steinberg you could use several arguments: 1. Sibelius has two licenses and you want Dorico to be at least as attractive as Sibelius in every way (including the licensing terms) so as to tempt current Sibelius users with a crossgrade; and 2. In terms of continuity, computers can break down for whatever reason (hard drive failure, a virus, etc.), and if they do and you’re in the middle of a project right before a deadline, you are dead in the water - unless you have a second machine and backup files.

I would think that providing 2 soft e activations would be a simple solution. VSL provides 3 activations for VE Pro and VI Pro

I can honestly say, this will not be a deal breaker for me. I am rather interested to see more in terms of functionality to decide, wether this program will be able to replace Sibelius for me with v1 already.
However, I do support the OPs request, as for a notation program, using a second copy on a laptop is kind of essential. With Cubase, I don’t mind it a lot, as this is a stationary PC in my studio and I am not too keen to using it on laptop (although I think many people will be …). But with a laptop - even, if Steinberg would decide to give the customer two licenses - a USB dongle is a big PITA, so it does put me off in some way.
On the other hand: While USB dongles have been cracked, they are much more likely to stay safe - at least for a long time, while pretty much every software protection gets cracked in no time … so I do understand Steinbergs reasoning. And if the lack of business loss due to piracy will somehow be followed by reasonable upgrade pricing … AND NOT EVER A SWITCH TO SUBSCRIPTION MODE :wink: … everything is ok with me.

One solution could be the possibility of buying a 2nd licence at a discount. That’s the one real issue I have with all of Steinberg’s pricing; there is no discount for 2nd licences. Hence me having to pay full price for all three of my Nuendo licences. :frowning:

DG

Ok, one worry is eliminated! I read this from a Steinberg employee so it is save:
“It will be soft-eLicneser based. No dongle will be required.”
Alright, if they would decide to offer to licenses per purchase or a small fee for a second license, there is nothing to complain about.

The only thing to watch is the soft licence is tied to one computer. If you want to move it you ave to go with the USB eLicenser.

DG

That wouldn’t be a problem to me, as long as I can move that license in between elicenser hard and software version back and forth as often as I want to. I have only used the hardware dongle, not the software version of licenser, so I am not sure, but I assume it should be possible.

You guys may want to shift to this thread to talk about possible alternative solutions in lieu of current eLc and soft-eLc: https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=97431

Daniel has stated the moving the software license is not a quick and east thing to do.

I purchased Cubase Elements for my laptop since that’s all I would need there. Kind of a pain that I would have to but for a notation program I would need the full power of the program on my laptop.

Both of Dorico’s main competitors allow installation on two computers. As Dorico is a new player in the music notation market, I think it is a very poor decision not to be at least as flexible as their competition. As a working musician, I have my notation software installed on my desktop studio setup, but I absolutely have to be able to use the software on my laptop when I am on the road too. There are plenty of times when I may not have internet access on my laptop so some complicated transferring e-licence scheme is not terribly helpful either. Both other products simply allow product registration on two machines.

As a new player in the market, Dorico needs to be giving potential customers reasons to switch. The lack of chord symbols in the initial release will already eliminate much of the potential market, why unnecessarily eliminate more of it with a burdensome copy protection scheme?

Licensing is clearly an issue. Some things to consider:

Sibelius 8.3 and Finale 2014.5 allow 2 personal installations. Based on educational price, buying two Dorico licenses, even at a discount, is not cost effective at all. The problem I have (and it seems many other people have) with only one installation is that it is still only ONE person using the license. What difference does two machines make? On a side note, Pyware also allows two installations.
–Sibelius 8.3 Education Price $299.00
–Finale 2014.5 Education Price $350.00 Crossgrade Price $149.00
–Dorico Education Price $390.84 Crossgrade Price $334.84


A HUGE issue for me is AVID is requiring a fee of $89 each year to keep a perpetual license current. If it lapses, you can no longer update nor upgrade your software. I do not believe Finale is doing this. This is pretty much a deal breaker with me. When my perpetual license runs out next year, I WILL be switching to another program. Dorico looks promising. The higher price compared to Finale or Sibelius is understandable if it delivers AS INDICATED and without a ton of bugs. But there really is no reason not to allow two installations when it seems to be fairly common.

KG

I refer you back to my previous response in this thread here:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=97395#p538579

As and when there is more news to share concerning this issue, I will provide an update as soon as possible.

It is not possible to move a license from a Steinberg key to a sofelicenser. It is a one way route, if you move it to a usb key it will never come back to a softelicenser.