WaveLab 13 Pro - Atmos Workflow Questions

Hello! Loving the WaveLab 13 update. Some terrific new stuff including the Atmos infrastructure.

Yet I do have some comments / questions, so please forgive me!

In the video, “Overview of the Dolby Atmos Workspaces in WaveLab Pro” it is stated that in an Atmos Master Montage, “You can insert VST plugins across up to 128 audio channels, apply processing at the clip, track, bed or output level…”. But how does this work? Is a clip a part of the complete ADM, or just a track? Because I can only create clips on individual tracks (not across the entire ADM even when I select a range across all tracks), and I can only apply effects to these track clips (mono or stereo). Is that correct?

I am disappointed that I do not appear to be able to execute this workflow, especially as I was counting on it in order to overcome a seeming bug in Nuendo (see below!):

I have a complete seamless album that I have created and mastered in Nuendo and exported from Nuendo as a single ADM, plus a marker track defining the Titles. I would now like to open this in a WaveLab Dolby Atmos Album Montage and split/export the ADM into individual Title ADMs. Ignoring my exported markers for a moment, it seems that I can do this by using “Clip: Create from Selection” or “Split at Cursor”; this creates new clips with markers. I can now re-name all the resultant Markers then Render All Titles (I get an error if I don’t do this as all the markers get the same title name; you cannot analyse loudness until you’ve done this, either!). So far, so good.

But there are a couple of issues. Firstly, when I create the new clip with the Marker window open, the markers are not immediately created correctly. I have to move one, then undo, to cause the programme to catch up. Minor issue once I know what’s going on!

The other issue is with what I really want to do - use my exported markers. My track markers from Nuendo import fine. But if I try to export All Titles from WaveLab, I get an error message that I have “xx number of Titles” but only 1 clip. So it fails. The obvious thing to do is to individually select the audio between each track master, then “Create from Selection” as above. Unfortunately this immediately deletes all my imported markers and replaces them with new automatic markers created around the newly created clips. That rather defeats the object! I’ve tried locking the imported markers (incidentally, a function to lock/unlock “all selected markers”, perhaps by holding down the alt key as you hit the lock box, would be most welcome across the board!) but that does not help. Is this a bug? (And a simple function “create clips from track markers” would also be generally fabulous - we have “create titles from clips”, could we also have “create clips from titles”?).

In standard Workspaces, of course, you can export titles defined by Markers - if this was possible in the Atmos Workspace you would not need to “create clips from titles”…)

Incidentally, I should be able to export individual titles as ADM files in Nuendo (i.e. set cycle markers to track markers and export selection to ADM) but this results in uneven track lengths as described here (including a note as to why it’s important for Atmos): https://forums.steinberg.net/t/sample-accurate-cycle-marker-export/1021501?u=mark_ayres

Many thanks!

First of all, there is a much more complete video about Dolby Atmos in WaveLab compared to the one you mentioned.

To help you visualize the signal flow in a master Atmos montage, see this:

Concerning an Atmos Album, and concerning your questions about markers (I could not follow all what you said), you have the option to disable the auto-creation of markers. But to be able to render anything, markers will be necessary. For this purpose, you can use the mini album wizard in the Album Tool Window.

Thankyou. I had seen the longer video, but it does not cover this issue.

I’ll have a look at the markers settings. Yes, I’d forgotten the you could disable automatic creation.

Mark

Hi Philippe

Many thanks for this. Firstly, disabling the automatic creation of markers solved that issue. Lovely. I can now go through, select between each track marker and “Clip: Create from Selection” and all is well. It would still be lovely to have “create clips from titles”, though!

Yes, I am aware that you cannot render anything without markers, but markers are not enough to export ADMs. We need an equal number of markers to matching clips, which is not how the rest of the programme works. But… understood, and sorted. :slight_smile:

Going back to signal flow - clips in the Atmos Master Montage are therefore not “ADM” clips and you cannot have full multichannel plugins on ADM clips - just on the output? This again is fine, but not entirely explained in the video.

This still happens in the Album Montage:

“when I create the new clip with the Marker window open (and auto-create markers on), the markers are not immediately created correctly. I have to move one, then undo, to cause the programme to catch up.”

Many thanks for the great work. I’ve been using WaveLab for years, and it gets better and better.

Mark

In an Atmos Album montage, the terminology is: “a title is composed of a clip surrounded by markers”. Hence, what do you mean?

A clip is either mono or stereo, hence multichannel does not apply here.
However, beds (eg. 7.1.2) can have multichannel plugins

And if you need multichannel processing on all channels (or a subset), you use the WaveLab Immersive Plugin Hub.

Maybe you can upload a small video, because I don’t see any problem here. Maybe there is a misunderstanding.

Well, yes. But if you import a whole album ADM, plus track markers, you then have to manually create clips within the markers. It would be great to automate this?

I need to look into this more. :slight_smile:

Will see what I can do!

Mark

Do you mean, you want to import a large ADM file, and you also import markers, and you want to split the ADM files according to the markers?

Here you go…

One imported clip with automatically-created markers. Create a new clip from selection results in three clips but incomplete markers. Move a marker then undo (I am using the history window to make it obvious) and all is well…

Exactly this. So that you can then export titles without having to do that manually.

Yes, this splitting has to be done manually. But I agree this would be a good feature to add.

Great stuff. Thankyou. Does the video make sense?

Your video shows a small bug: the marker window is not properly updated (but the markers are really created). If you switch to another audio montage and back to the original montage, the window will be updated. I note this thing to be fixed for 13.0.10

Lovely. Thankyou.