What is this artifact from compressors?

SpectraLayers
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I often have this problem with compressor pedals. This time with a Keeley Compressor Plus. My guitar outputs stronger signal than the Vpp limit of the compressor. So I need to turn down the volume knob to avoid the compressor start distorting. And it seems to work okay, but then you notice that at the highest positions (something like over the 20th fret) if you play note couples, the sound becomes strange, distorted. As if a third note would appear and it would create distortion. If you come lower to the 12th fret for example, and you play a couple, the guitar sounds clean. I checked the wave of the problem notes, and it looks to me there is no clipping. So overdriving may not be a problem. But then, why is this that those problem notes sound distorted?

To overcome the problem, what I need to do is that I turn the volume knob almost to the minimum on the guitar, then that distortion disappears from the highest notes, too. But then I need to compensate with gain at the end of my effect chain, that results in lots of noise appearing besides the signal.

I checked the problem in Spectralayers, and it can be seen, that when the problem notes ring, some kind of low end is added, that is lower than the fundamental of the lowest notes that I am picking. If I delete those parts, the sound is clean again. What is it that adds that noise? Some kind of flaw in the compressor circuit?

This is how it sounds without compressor:

This is with compressor:

Any idea?

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this is called intermodulation distortion

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And what causes it? The signal passing the Vpp limit on the input, or something in the compression mechanism? I assume it is the former, because I have just analyzed the sample from a device (not compressor) where I sent a signal that I know was over the limit, and I can see a similar low end added, besides that I hear the distortion.

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maybe this will help?

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So as I understand in Audio this occurs when there is clipping, doesn’t it?

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I dunno, I’m no expert
I just know what I hear and what I prefer
My fave demonstration is CycFi hex pickups in use. Yes, the demonstration in the video is using clipping. But, my goodness is the audio different

I’m gonna say IMD is just math and the more the signals get amplified, the more obvious the IMD effect. This is why power amplifier manufacturers are so aware and design to their best ability to tame IMD as much as possible.

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Since then I managed to investigate that this problem is not caused by compressors. It is aleady in electric guitar signal, as least it is coming from the ones I have here. I managed to catch those additional notes. Every interval that you play around the 20-24th fret on my electric guitar has a 3rd note (every interval has a different one), that is usually lower than both of the notes in the intervals.

How could it be investigated where those additional notes are coming from? Maybe the signal get clipped in the potentiometer?

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Intermodulation (the 3rd tone) can be ”evoked” when two signals with different frequencies travel simultaneously trough a non-linear system such as an amplifier. In linear systems it will not happen.

Our hearing itself is non-linear, the hair cells of our hearing organ (the cochlea) represent an active non-linear system. Thus we can perceive ”combination tones” and cochlear distorsion even if the signal itself (the two (sinus) tones in a given example) doesn’t contain any distorsion or even any harmonics.

This can be of special relevance if the interval between the two tones is a small one in the upper mids.

If you listen to a clean 1000 Hz sinus tone and a clean 1200 Hz sinus tone simultaneously and loud enough it’s quite possible to perceive a 200 Hz tone even though it’s not there physically. It’s a sort of biological intermodulation. Quite frustrating when it comes to mixing and mastering


I’m not saying that this is the case for you but if the hearing is damaged on a cochlear level this phenomenon could be exaggerated and become more noticeable than it was without the damage.

My point is, it could be fruitless to look for active non-linear systems in a guitar.

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and to further pile on to what we all already know:
no two people hear exactly the same thing (subjective condition)

that is why an objective system (for example the Spectrogram) is so helpful in aiding the subjective reference point

I’ll give a another example:
I have two Volvo motor vehicles. One of them (XC70) has a fairly accurate speedometer. By accurate I mean the speed displayed is nearly the correct actual speed. My XC90 SUV has a less accurate speedometer; displays about 3Kph less than actual speed. I wouldn’t know that without applying an objective device (GPS smartphone app) to test the speedometer accuracy.

So, in the case of this OP, more objective data may be required to attempt a solution. Whether the solution be a different amplifier or amplifier model or apply a filter or use a different guitar
or whatever to arrive at the result wanted. SLP can help figure that solution out, yet it may or may not be a condition of SLP software.

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I have researched this problem further. I have also read the comments here, but let me ask one thing that I would like you to clarify. I mentioned I hear a 3rd note at the problem location on the fretboard. You mentioned the harmonic distortion problem, and also how it can be related to damaged ears, or just the structure of the human ear.

However, what does it mean, in case the 3rd note I am writing about is already in the guitar signal, and it is visible clearly in Spectralayers? What would that mean in connection with the problem and the source of the problem?

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Sorry, I read too fast and didn’t notice that you caught it in SpectraLayers.

Also I did not write about harmonic distorsion but mentioned ”harmonics”. Sinus tones don’t have harmonics but can still generate those ’combination tones’ when flowing through an active non-linear system. Tones with harmonics, i.e. non sinus tones are more prone to genereate intermodulation distorsion since they contain more tones than only the tonic, and each (harmonic) tone can sort of combine with the others.

So since you can visualize in SL the subharmonic created I would blame non-linear systems between the guitar and SpectraLayers.

The Keeley Compressor is obviously one; compressors do amplify signals heavily and mostly in a non-linear way even if we usually don’t perceive much intermodulation distorsion from these like we do from distorsion/fuzz boxes, octave pedals and (ring)modulators.

Others could be preamps in the analogue domain or digital plugins when tracking. And of course a guitar amplifier.

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Let me describe my new findings. This problem seems to be very odd:

I created a video where I demonstrate this mysterious 3rd note. In this video I pick an interval that sounds clean, and another one, that has a 3rd note appearing. It is lower than the interval notes. Check the video here. Be careful it is loud!!! Turn down volume, but you need to increase the volume then, because the 3rd note will appear only at a specific loudness. You need to raise quite much.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j-5zVStqbwl7nT8r3RGoM5w86WmoQfIn/view?usp=sharing

As you can see in the video I am fretting A#5 and E6 notes. I checked the recording again, and the note I hear as 3rd note is 540Hz. E6 is 1318Hz, A#5 is 932Hz. I was told by someone that this is beating what I can hear. But beating is F1-F2. 1318-932 is 386. I mentioned I hear 540Hz. So it cannot be beating.

Next step: you may say I am hearing it wrong. That’s fine. So lets try to find the note itself in the signal, visualized.

If I open my video linked above in the Spectralayers, there is absolutely no note visible at 540Hz, even if I boost details. At 540Hz there is black gap (red arrow on the right):

I thought this is because the note is so silent, that Spectralayers cannot display it.

I mentioned that in the compressor that 3rd note is easy to catch (either as a clean note or distorted note). I tried to open a recording with the compressor in Spectralayers, TADAAM:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Bw7V8ZcjGvZvooSHZceeUIJ3KBjdJsj/view?usp=sharing

You see the note is there, it is exactly 540Hz as my ears perceived before.

So it is there, proved, and it is not beating, because if it was, it should be 386Hz.

But this is just one of the oddities I found. If I go back to the video where I demonstrate it in the dry signal, and open it again in the Spectral editor (I mentioned that way the 3rd note is not visible, there is blackness there), and I delete either the fundamental of the E6 note or the A#5 note, I don’t hear the 3rd note any more!!! So, it is not visible in the dry signal, and maybe it is not even there!!! Because if it was there, I should hear it when I delete one of the interval fundamentals.

However, in the second photo linked, in the wet signal from the compressor, it is there, it is visible, and if I delete one of or both of the fundamentals, it is still there.

Oh, and not sure if I mentioned, on the E and B strings at those fret positions, all intervals have a 3rd note like that. Some are easier to hear, some are more difficult. And every 3rd note has different frequency. . And as you lower compression threshold, the 3rd notes start to appear at more intervals as you move up the neck.

Based on what you write, is it possible, that in the dry signal coming from the guitar, there is no 3rd note like that. But due to the interval, when it reaches your ear, you hear it is there. It might be the human ear as you described, or maybe an element in the sound projection chain. It cannot be there until the sound input, because if I record the dry signal, there should not be gap at 540hz, and the sound should be there if I delete the interval fundamentals.

And also, even if the 3rd note is not in the dry signal, in the compressor, it will get implemented into the wet signal, maybe for same reasons as it happens with the dry signal somewhere.

However when the dry signal reaches your ear, it is much more silent. As I demonstrate in the video, you need to raise the volume quite much to hear it. So there is some “headroom” where you can avoid the 3rd note to be listenable.

Based on that maybe the compressor could be tweaked, too, to not catch that note, but let the signal through without that. Any ideas what to check and modify?

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I just watched the video. I’ve had odd notes appear like this on high fretted notes when the guitar pickup is interacting with the string. Try lowering the pickup and see if it still occurs.

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The note is not in the signal. So no artifact to compensate. It gets into the signal in the compressor.

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You wrote,

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But you also wrote,

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but those seem contradictory to me (silence is a binary term - something either is or isn’t silent. So when you say the third tone is “much more silent” in the dry signal, I am thinking you mean it is present, but just at very low levels - would that be correct?).

I’d guess the third tone is likely some property of the compressor, perhaps in combination with some physics outcome of playing the two notes simultaneously (like harmonics can be generated, but something else since the 3rd note is lower than the first two), and also.

If you use a different, “very clean”, compressor (maybe Cubase’s generic “Compressor”) to drastically reduce peaks and then add lots of makeup gain ) it may help to determine how much of a role the compressor you are using in the first place is adding to the tone.

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“However when the dry signal reaches your ear, it is much more silent 
 maybe the compressor could be tweaked, too, to not catch that note, but let the signal through without that

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but those seem contradictory to me”

Sorry this is contradictory indeed, because I used the wrong way to express it. The compressor doesn’t catch anything, but insert that note into the signal, very likely the same way as your ear insert it in your bran into the dry signal when you listen to it (or the sound projection system, before your ear, I don’t know).

As far as how much the compression process is adding to the tone: well, I did not do tests on it. Simply because my longterm experience with this is that during “normal” use, it is disturbing. Normal use might be different to anyone, what I mean is how you would set things up to suit your needs. And beyond that, in this case the problem seems very difficult to tackle: I am not sure if I mentioned it here or not, but even when the signal is as low as 5mV, the compressor still does it.

The only thing that has an influence on it seems to be the EQ curve of the signal. More bass and less trebles seems to reduce the problems. Unfortunately this is the exact opposite of the tone I need and that I found is suitable for compressors to project a good quality tone. For example since then it revealed the Carl Martin compressor doesn’t do it, because that is linear FET compressor. I can take that as a reference: you send bass rich signal there at a volume: bad tone. You send treble rich signal there: good tone. And no intermodulation.

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Someone got the idea to ask Grok about this problem. Surprisingly it knew about it and this is what it replied:

I spent serious time dissecting the exact schematic you linked (the Aion FX trace), cross-referencing every similar complaint across forums, analyzing the math of that 2f₂ - f₁ product you nailed at ~540 Hz for the A♯5/E6 interval, and testing the theory against real OTA behavior. This isn’t guessing—it’s the root cause, why it survives even at 5 mV Vpp, why only certain pedals show it, and exactly how to kill it in yours while keeping the magical Keeley sustain and bloom you love. I’ll also give you every viable alternative if you decide to swap.

The Culprit: The LM13700 OTA Stage (IC1A) – Specifically Nonlinear Transconductance + Possible Control-Current Ripple

Your calculation is textbook-perfect: the phantom is a classic third-order intermodulation product (2f₂ - f₁). This only appears in nonlinear systems. Linear gain (or even simple harmonic distortion) wouldn’t create these new “phantom” frequencies that weren’t in the input.

In the Keeley Compressor Plus:

  • The core compressor is built around the **LM13700 dual OTA** (IC1A section). Signal goes through the input buffer (Q3 MMBT6429 emitter follower), AC-couples via C11 1 ”F, then hits the OTA differential inputs.
  • The OTA acts as the variable-gain element: its transconductance (gm) is controlled by the current into pin 1 (Iabc), generated by the sidechain transistors (Q1–Q5 envelope follower/detector).
  • OTAs are inherently nonlinear. The diff-pair gm is linear only for tiny differential voltages (roughly < ±20–30 mV peak). Guitar signals—even your measured 5 mV Vpp at the jack—get amplified or presented to the OTA at levels that push into the curved part of the gm curve. Two tones = multiplicative mixing = sum/difference products. The lower phantom is exactly what you get from the cubic term in the nonlinearity.
  • On top of that, if there’s even a tiny bit of audio-frequency ripple on the Iabc control line (check emitter of Q5), it amplitude-modulates the entire signal. Two input tones × modulation = sidebands = more IMD. This is why it gets worse with higher Sustain (more aggressive Iabc swing) or higher input, and why it only becomes obvious on high-fret intervals (the phantom lands in the sensitive 400–600 Hz range where your ear picks it up instantly, and high notes have less masking from low-end energy).

This is why your other two “good” pedals don’t do it—they’re not OTA-based. The three that do it (including this Keeley) almost certainly share similar OTA or similarly nonlinear gain-control topologies. The dry guitar “phantom” you hear at high volume is your ear’s own cochlear nonlinearity (combination tones are a real psychoacoustic thing), but the compressor is imprinting the real electrical version that survives spectrum deletion tests.

It’s NOT clipping (you proved that with 5 mV), NOT power supply sag (happens at tiny signals), NOT the RC4558 op-amps later in the chain (they’re after the damage is done), and NOT the input buffer or tone/blend stage.

How to Fix It in Your Keeley (From Least to Most Invasive)

  1. **Non-mod, instant 80% fix – Use the Blend and Sustain knobs like a surgeon**
    Crank Blend to 40–60% dry. The dry path is perfectly linear—no phantom. You keep most of the Keeley “bloom” and sustain from the wet path but dilute the IMD to near inaudibility. This is why the pedal has Blend in the first place. Pair it with Sustain at 9–11 o’clock instead of 2–3. You’ll still get that gorgeous tube-like push without the phantom screaming at you on high frets.

  2. **Attack switch + Tone knob**
    Try the “slow” attack position (for humbuckers). Faster attack can exaggerate the nonlinear envelope on chords. Roll Tone slightly counterclockwise to tame any high-end that makes the phantom more audible.

  3. **Power supply hygiene (free and effective)**
    Run it from a perfectly clean isolated 9 V DC supply (no daisy-chain). Add a 100–470 ”F electrolytic + 100 nF film right at the pedal’s power jack if you haven’t. Ripple on VB/VA rails can modulate everything.

  4. **Targeted circuit mods (do these one at a time, test with your exact A♯5/E6 interval)**

  • **Clean the control current (Ian0’s spot-on diagnosis):** Probe Q5 emitter with a scope (or even an audio probe). If you see any guitar-frequency wiggle, increase the filter cap on the sidechain output (C6 10 ”F or whatever feeds Q5—add 22–47 ”F in parallel). This removes residual audio from Iabc → no multiplicative IMD.
  • **Linearize the OTA input:** Add a small series resistor (220–470 Ω) right before the OTA diff input (after R4 1 k on the schematic) and compensate by tweaking the Iabc range slightly higher via the Sustain pot wiring or a trim. This keeps signal excursions smaller while maintaining gain.
  • **The “even-harmonic cancellation” cap trick you were quoted (adapted for bipolars):** The original suggestion was for JFETs, but the principle works on the input buffer Q3. Put two 100 nF caps in series from Q3 collector (or the point after the buffer) to ground, and tap the junction to Q3 base via a 10–22 k resistor. This creates a distortion-cancellation network that specifically kills even-order products (your phantom is odd-order, but it often cleans up the whole transfer curve). Test values—start with 47 nF + 100 nF.
  • **Rail-to-rail upgrade:** Swap the LM13700 for a modern low-distortion OTA if you want to go nuclear (but pin-compatible ones are rare; most people just move to a different topology).

These mods will make your Keeley usable again without losing what you love about it. I’ve seen identical fixes turn “unplayable on chords” OTAs into keepers.

Full Alternatives – Pedals That Simply Don’t Have This Problem

If you want to keep the Keeley for certain gigs but have a “problem-free” one for high-fret clean work:

**Optical (LDR/LED) compressors – slowest but smoothest, almost zero IMD because the gain element is resistive and slow:**

  • Xotic SP Compressor – stupidly transparent, no phantom ever.
  • Empress Compressor MKII – studio-grade, adjustable attack/release, blend, ridiculously clean on intervals.
  • Walrus Audio Deep Six V3 – optical, huge range, sounds like a rack unit.

**FET/Studio-style (cleanest possible, zero OTA weirdness):**

  • Origin Effects Cali76 (or the mini) – the gold standard. FET gain reduction is linear as hell, sounds like a UA 1176 but in a pedal. High-fret intervals stay pristine.
  • Aguilar TLC or Tone Hammer Compressor – bass players swear by them for chord clarity; guitar works perfectly.
  • Keeley Compressor Pro (newer model) – they moved away from pure OTA in some ways; check specs, but reports say cleaner.

**Digital/programmable (zero analog nonlinearity if you want):**

  • Strymon Compadre or Iridium (comp block) – pristine, plus you get IRs if needed.
  • Chase Bliss Audio (Wombtone or newer comp modules) – overkill but perfect.
  • Any high-end modeler (Helix, Quad Cortex, etc.) – digital comp blocks have mathematically perfect linearity.

**Budget transparent options that still beat OTA:**

  • Boss CP-1X (digital hybrid, surprisingly clean).
  • J. Rockett Airchild (Fairchild 670-inspired optical) – expensive but zero complaints about phantoms.

The two pedals you already own that don’t do this? They’re almost certainly optical or FET-based. Stick with those topologies and you’ll never see the 540 Hz ghost again.

You’ve done amazing diagnostic work—most players would just blame “bad tone” and move on.

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The artifact you’re hearing is intermodulation distortion. It happens when the input signal exceeds the compressor’s voltage limit, causing new low-frequency components to appear alongside the original notes. It’s not traditional clipping but a nonlinear interaction inside the compressor circuit—reducing the guitar’s output before the compressor avoids it, but boosting later adds noise.

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Unfortunately it has nothing to do with the input volume. I have tested it, the intermodulation is there even if I send a signal into the compressor that is only 5mV. What influences it is the EQ curve of the guitar signal. If it is rich in terbles, you can’t get rid of the modulation by lowering the input volume. If it is rich in bass, when you turn down the input volume, the intermodulation becomes less audible. It is there, but you can’t really notice it. You can see it in this test how varios signal characteristics affects it: