Help! I have eight movements, and everything is formatted in the score and parts, including page overrides that involve a) changing the page template for title pages for each movement, and b) sometimes adjusting the height of music frames to even out the staff spacing. I now need to add a new movement between mvts. 1 and 2. Is there any way to do this without reformatting all of the parts from scratch? Is there a way to insert the necessary pages and have the overrides move along with the inserted pages?
Hi @jjm_335,depending on the overrides you have, (like staff spacing overrides) you could loose some settings. But generally, after you import a flow, you can move [edit: some of the] the page overrides (as well as page template changes overrides etc…) to different pages using the arrow icons in Engrave mode, pages panel o the wooer right.
If you could upload the 2 Projects (the original one, and the one that you need to import/insert), I am sure someone will give your detailed advice for the best workflow.
If I found myself in that position, I would add the first movement at the end and then reorder the movements in a PDF editor.
Question to all here: why couldn’t the flow to precede the new flow be duplicated, the notation on the duplicate flow be deleted for the new notation to be added or into which it is copied, and not have disturbed any engraving settings? The new flow could then be put in order in Setup mode and ready to use. I suppose I am being a little simple minded but…
I have the new movement as the last flow right now, so I guess I would be reordering flows instead of importing a new one. But I guess I didn’t know it was possible to move page overrides with arrows. I’ll have to try that, thanks.
Depending on what you were trying to achieve, there may be less invasive methods that don’t create overrides. Alternatively, you can use Page Template changes, which are easier to apply.
You can move an override to the Next or Previous page; but obviously, if you’ve got lots of changes, and the increase in the page count is quite large, this could be difficult and time consuming.
I am happy to share a project here, but even with a bunch of stuff trimmed down it’s 13+mb and I figure that’s a little too large.
One of the reasons I have adjustments to music frames is because I often leave blank space on a page for easier page turns. I’m not sure how to change settings to avoid doing this multiple times per part. I do know where the settings are, and have played with them a bit to try to minimize the frequency, but a) I still find it hard to know exactly how to set the thresholds, and b) every page is so different that it seems impossible to find an ideal that will get me consistent results. I readily admit I might just be ignorant.
Or do it as @derrek suggested
One approach is to have multiple page templates, and have the music frame progressively shorter on each. Then you can apply one of those templates as needed; a page template change can be less problematic than a page override.
With a project this large, I’m reluctant to create and use multiple templates because the pinwheel spins for 20-30 seconds any time I make adjustments to things like page templates (or switch layout view, etc.)
All of this reminds me that one of my feature requests is to allow for these adjustments to occur more easily!
I would do whatever I could to avoid overrides except in the most extreme circumstances. Multiple custom Page Templates and using system and frame breaks, as @asherber suggests are the most accessible and productive ways I have found.
FWIW, I don’t feel nearly this strongly about it. The main problem with page overrides is that those pages stop responding to changes to the underlying template. If overrides are created at the end of the layout process (e.g., moving the bottom of the music frame, as the OP indicated), then 9 times out of 10 it’s not an issue at all, because you’re not likely to need to change the template after that.
But everyone has their own workflow, and if you find that you are often adjusting templates at the end of layout, then it does make sense to avoid overrides.
Of course, the current thread is talking about adding a new first movement, which means prior overrides are no longer “at the last minute.” Such circumstances, where I may want to revise a work later (and even much later) make me very cautious concerning page overrides; but as I say, I still do use them in extreme circumstances (and hope I will not have to do rewrites later).