Hi, it isn’t really anything to do with backing up files, it is more a situation where having what a web developer might call a “source of truth”, which would of course be the cloud, but files would always be worked on locally and if changes are made on any workstation, then they must be synced to the cloud, however syncing back to local machines is where traditional file storage and sharing systems fall short because they are always trying to update files and this may not be desirable, because of the potential to overwrite files, therefore a custom cloud solution must be found by Steinberg so proper comparisons can be made.
It may be that this functionality already exists, in the form of networking functions built into Nuendo but even the manual says while it can function across the internet, it is not recommended practice, so I believe Steinberg software needs to provide a login-based approach with a web portal style front-end.
I’m so sorry for asking all these questions, I just fail to understand what it is you want and where what exists falls short. Above you seem to be saying that once an update is made locally that syncs UP to the cloud but not DOWN from the cloud.
Well how would any software know what you want?
Let’s say you and I are working on exactly the same project with the same files but in different rooms. I go in on a Saturday and update the files on my local computer. It uploads to the cloud automatically in your desired workflow. Then what do you want to happen? When you start working on Monday should your project open up using my latest versions of the files or the last version you used? Should files be added or replaced? Locally or in the cloud?
Unlike traditional file synchronisation and sharing services, I would like to not have synchronisations occurring automatically, so therefore in the Audio Pool for example, it could be shown that a newer file is available.
I am quite sure that something like what is in Nuendo, in terms of networking would do what I just described, I am just not all that interested in what would be massive configuration overhead and headaches around IP addressing, and subnetting etc., so maybe my topic title should be updated to include a Feature Request tag.
Have you considered using something like Perforce? From the Nuendo product page:
“Version control allows you to manage changes over time and track revisions of your project’s assets, facilitating seamless collaboration and further work on existing projects. Thanks to Perforce version control, any change in the Nuendo project is automatically monitored in the background, making manual interaction unnecessary.”
Are u taking about something like this? i think it’s the same thing DaVinci resolve has we’re u can use Dropbox and more. check the blackmagic cloud video to see what i’m talking about
That would certainly be what I am looking for long term, but without proprietary hardware.
I think keeping things in software, not cloud-based but rather cloud-attached, is the best idea, however that would require investment from SB, so prices may go up, in the medium term but as of now they are currently, rock bottom one could argue.
I don’t know if Yamaha have any kind of cloud infrastructure in use, for media and/or audio, but having a cloud storage system, that is on par with controllers such as Nuage, in terms of development priorities is to me where this needs to be for the future since as of now there is no solution other than SB’s proprietary networking system that I believe doesn’t even have a name to speak of.
I think the core problem here is going to be giving Steinberg network access to other computers, via Nuendo, while maintaining some level of security. I can imagine any facility with multiple rooms having a LAN that is secured by a dedicated IT tech and they would have to open things up for automatic access by Nuendo. At that point what’s the difference between that and using the existing system?
If you want that to somehow be more or less automatic, i.e. not require a tech, then by definition you will have to still open up computers to each other on the network and give all this access to Nuendo. Even “worse” if you then want this functionality to be centrally managed in the cloud, hosted by Yamaha or Steinberg. At that point what you’re really talking about is allowing Nuendo to upload data to a central location and then push that down to other DAWs in any facility that you’re located, or in any room in a predefined facility.
Fine, I’m sure that could be made into an option (opt-in) but I’m pretty certain some people would be worried about privacy. I’ve already seen people complain about privacy notices on the most mundane non-issue things and I’m betting something like this would freak them out. And then there’s actual big clients that have pretty serious demands when it comes to data security. I’m not sure Disney would be ok with information about ADR sessions going up to Yamaha or wherever.
But at the end of the day I really think you should come up with a much more clear example complete with a step-by-step guide on exactly how this should look to the engineers working on a project and then post that in a separate feature-request thread. The way this thread looks and given how vague this still feels I’m not sure Steinberg would know what to do with this.
That’s why it would be more of a protocol, than anything else, or an open-source effort, to define and provide storage, notwithstanding networking options, for DAW products.
No doubt this would be on the minds of people, in other places; BitWig, comes to mind as a possibility.
But networking can’t be ignored. You need a network on which the protocol will operate, and you mentioned a cloud service, and to me this leads to the software having access to both WAN and LAN. Sure, you can call the core of that a “protocol”, but the problems remain; security & management.
As @MattiasNYC already said, you need a network connection for the transport of your “protocol” and as soon as you connect to a network, especially if it is a public cloud, you are opening pandoras box.
You need IT Security experts to setup and manage these systems and even then you can’t be sure you are not target of attacks.
Of course you can do something like this internally in your private network, that is hopefully fully secured by firewalls, but even there you have the chance of problems. The only way to make it secure is to decouple it from any external network.
I always avoid external access and use a NAS internally, that does all I need.
I think if SB can implement SAM/SDM, with full browser functionality, then I think they can implement something in relation to file storage but as I say it would need to be more of a protocol, rather than a product since it may not be proprietary and efforts in the area of collaboration haven’t lasted anyway and are essentially, a waste of money.
I have a website that is hosted by a web hosting company and those files are safe, so I am not asking for SB to set up a hosting company or run one, rather I am asking for end users to be able to specify this information themselves so SB doesn’t need to store anything, but instead provide facilities to work with and access data, for example Amazon AWS.
Can’t help but feel that if you’ve spent the time you’ve spent writing in this thread instead investigating and trying the already existing Network functionality you’d be able to either use that or more clearly define what you need.
To me it’s all still vague, and you’re not making it clearer.
The bigger threat to Nuendo market share in post is probably tighter integration between Media Composer and PT, as well as future AI functionality. What you’re proposing, whatever it is, is probably nice for some to have but I doubt your suggestions will go anywhere.
AVID make hardware, SB don’t but outsource or fall back on the Japanese rather than the Americans.
I think I have made myself clear enough, in another thread a link was provided to discuss fibre channel. If you want to discuss networking functions, discuss them there since that is not what I am asking for or discussing.
You can’t get what you want without using a network. When I talk about “networking” I am talking about that problem, not just setting up a NAS / SAN.
But I am also talking about the function in Nuendo that is under the headline “networking” (as far as I recall), and it is about updating your timeline with new audio, when you choose to (as opposed to automatically). So it seems to me that what I’m talking about is pretty on-point. A way to update your timeline audio not automatically but when you choose to trigger it manually.
As for what you’re supposedly actually asking for, I still don’t think you’re being clear about it. But I should stop responding in this thread since I’ve made my point clear and I don’t think you’re going to get anywhere with this because you’re not going to make it any clearer.
Of course, but if what I am talking about was implemented and had an interface, then like any other infrastructures, there are commands, scripts and code to learn about.
Fact is, I am on a WiFi network, and I do not want the configuration issues that go with owning and running a wired network. Also, what I am doing works. There is a reason why exporting .xml archives, has an option to reference files.
As far as working on the same file(s) on a network or the internet, again that isn’t what I am talking about.
With the interchangeability of project files within an open-source format, this may mean that network settings are able to be saved in a consistent manner, therefore cloud/local storage protocols may have already been created.
