Just to balance out perspectives here (and companies like Steinberg do listen to and consider many different perspective).
One of my favorite things about Halion is that “I” get to design the UI. I don’t have to conform to someone else’s cheesy work flow ideas. It’s a power user’s dream, in that I can design a UI that spreads across three monitors and shows tons of information in a single window, or I can make a very simple single instrument 600x400 UI that only shows the ‘tactile’ basics. I can make it ‘visually’ appealing with lots of pretty graphics, or I can make it look like a power user’s binary data tank. I can split, drag, pop-out windows and frames and make it MY UI.
I’ve no problem seeing waveforms and such in the Cubase/Halion Media Browser. While icons and such would indeed be nice for some users to have in the relational database (and not that difficult to add at some point), I’d personally elect NOT to use those features for my own projects if given the choice. I’d rather not have a 4meg bitmap image taking up space on my relatively expensive SSD media when text gets the job done just as well (and is fully searchable). I’d rather NOT have a window or dialog take up massive amounts of screen real estate (I use three screens, and it’s still not enough). I’m seriously buggered by the ‘progressive RACE’ to make things so ‘user friendly’ that we can’t just hit a key combo and type in three letters to find what we need anymore. I’d much rather spend an afternoon reading a manual than many minutes every single day scrolling windows that take up too much screen real estate looking for ‘image based visual cues’. I’ve no problem with a db that ‘supports’ tagging with images and icons…but if it’s forced on me, and if I lose power searching functions and ‘documentation’ in the process…I’ll be pretty upset.
Case in point…Opera Browser with Prestige and earlier engines was a total JOY to use. Not only was it the leanest and fastest browser out there…it had all the best POWER USER features in one simple installation, under ONE user agreement/contract. Now it’s a one tab, third party ‘plugin’ nightmare that needs far more resources to install and use, is arguably less secure, and ‘relies’ on third party ‘plugins’ to get a single ‘power user’ ability. Push-centric…app-store…crap. I hope Halion doesn’t attempt to do the same sort of ‘user/consumer’ friendly thing. I want Steinberg’s tools to be a PRODUCER of content…not so much to be a ‘consumer’.
I’ve had ‘third party libraries’ for various products, including Kontakt, ARIA, etc…which can be a pain in the rear to install and get working. The ‘library’ wasn’t built correctly or was poorly documented, etc. It wasn’t the fault of NI, or Plogue that someone put a garbage library out, and was too lazy to make and test an installer for it.
I’m far from a ‘programmer’, and my so called IQ and ‘education level’ is actually on record as being ‘quite low’, but I have no problem making an installer for Halion content that extracts things to a sub directory of one of the default directories holding factory Halion content. I can even make it put the content on any ‘removable’ device I want and implement plug and play scripts that’ll drop file-system links into these default directories ‘as needed’. It’s really not that difficult to do with free multi-platform installer tools.
If I were going to sell or otherwise mass distribute a library for Halion 5, I’d take the time to get advice here on the forums, and also contact the Halion Dev team (providing samples of my Library) to see how they recommend packaging and distributing it so end users will not face the installation problem you’ve described. It’s really not that hard to get the information and support required.
There’s a point where I’d rather not pay a premium for ‘rebadged tools’ (such as basic archivers and extractors) we’ve all bought, paid for, and had at our disposal for decades. If Steinberg decides to either develop and service their own, or pay the royalties to rebadge and bundle some other company’s installer tools, then the total cost of the product goes up (even for users who have no intention of packaging and selling their libraries). The more of that kind of stuff a sound engine developer packs into a product, the more resources they must dedicate to supporting and maintaining them…across all of the wild and wacky ‘OS related’ standard changes that seem to come every few months from the likes of Microsoft and Apple.
I believe that Halion 6 is highly likely to include more of the power tools that third party content developers have been asking for. Perhaps it’s been a ‘long time coming’, but it’s not due to a lack of effort and dedication from the “Halion Team”. I’m eager to see what direction it all goes. It’ll be interesting to see how they manage the pressure to copy cat the dumbed down ‘consumer driven’, subscription based rapid prototyping and app-store models, vs keeping a solid focus on providing power user ‘production tools’ for ‘producers’ to ‘create with’.
I’m cool with user friendly. I just don’t want to lose, ‘user choice’, and ‘power’. I’m also getting frustrated with being forced to pay multiple times over for technologies we’ve already paid for and mastered many times over as general personal computer users (such as reading a REAL product manual, then making a simple self extracting archive/installer with a few user options on launch). I get pretty tired of paying twice as much for a bundle of tools we’ve already got, or running into brick walls in apps that point us to ‘third party app stores’ demanding ‘cloud based subscriptions’ to get anything done.
This is good to hear and very appreciated.
I’m far from a ‘programmer’, and my so called IQ and ‘education level’ is actually on record as being ‘quite low’, but I have no problem making an installer for Halion content that extracts things to a sub directory of one of the default directories holding factory Halion content. I can even make it put the content on any ‘removable’ device I want and implement plug and play scripts that’ll drop file-system links into these default directories ‘as needed’. It’s really not that difficult to do with free multi-platform installer tools
Could you explain that, please?
I’d be very interested in how you create an installer for Halion content. Do you mean user content?
I know you already explained how to move content and create file-system links in other threads.
But I didn’t know you can actually create an installer.
Yes, I mean making an installer for user content libraries that you wish to distribute to other systems/users.
The simplest form is to use your favorite archival program and set it to make self extracting files. Set flags that allow the user to extract it to the same directory structure that the archive was made with. Some of these self extracting files can also be set to run batch files or other scripts after detarring/decompression.
One can also perform a search to find a variety of tools for creating installers for PC and Mac platforms. I.E. MSI or PRG files that self extract and run BATCH files or other scripts, while presenting users with options.
The general idea would be to provide the user with a self extracting file that puts complete VSTsound archives in one of the directories that Halion already scans for content by default on a regular basis.
It’s Thursday, the days on which VST stuff always is released. So how about a surprise release of Halion 6 today?
Well, I have to disappoint you regarding a surprise release today, but I can confirm that H6 is planned to be released on a Thursday.
today maybe ?
The point of this is the fact the current version had no support, no matter how much
you want to talk about the next version. this is wrong !
they say the HAlion team is committed and hard at work, well when did they start
to do that, is 6 going to be the same ? release it and forget it…
fixed. This has been their motto for some years apparently.
I lost patience around 6 mounths ago, sold both Halion and Cubase, and moved on to Studio One,…
Sampler will be a mix of Kontakt, Structure, and EX3 from now on, (old Ultra 5000’s also)
When a new Halion 6, maybe, some day, arrive, I will not feel tempted to try again, I know better by now,…
Now that Steinberg has wasted Halion’s chance to become the new defacto soft-sampler format, the chances are even worse that they will be suddenly start being dedicated to their own product, everyone knows Kontakt is defacto now
That might also be the hole reason they choose to fail Halion, and the fact samplers are not top-sellers these days
Its a bit better with Cubase I guess, as for Halion it would have been more honest just to stop development and make an end to it, honest, and officially, long ago,… insteadt of keeping us waiting in a false hope for far to long
Everything has its time, guess it will be there sometime 2017, but that will be some years to late
But hey, life is still nice, and it goes on, happy x-mas, and 2017 everyone,…
Yes I moved over to Komplete and superior drummer, did a custom install of Cubase and took out the rest of its
Content and all vsti, will never use there instruments again
Yeah, I’m experiencing the crashing bug with Logic X 10.3. Steinberg is pretty terrible with updating their apps. I honestly don’t understand how they can go 1+ years without updating software that customers have paid hundreds for…and they have done this for YEARS…
There is no way that I’m going to fall for this “Oh the NEW one is out…give us more money…and forget about what we already sold you…because we already spent that money!”
Yep ! We were also told when 6 came out there would be a fix for 5
That didn’t happen,
The HALion 6 release is not complete yet, as HALion Sonic SE 3 as part of it is still missing. I doubt that you will see the Maintenance update of HALion 5 before HALion Sonic SE 3 is released.
The final maintenance release for HALion 5 is now available for download.
Reading through the names in this thread I am curious if anyone from you guys hasn’t updated to HALion 6 yet? How are you getting along with the H6?