Where Are My Algorithms?!!!

WaveLab Elements 7 comes with dedicated algorithms for different musical sources to ensure highest quality sound

(http://www.steinberg.net/en/landing_pages/upgrade_wlle7_wle7)

and

Here (http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/wavelab/wavelab_feature_comparison.html)
Elements is portrayed to have the same Time stretching/Pitch Shifting capabilities as Wavelab 7 by the green check mark.

But guess what? When I see my Dirac TimeStretch box, there are no algorithms.
T-Stretch Box.jpg
Could this be corrected in a quick update? Or else wouldn’t this be false advertising?

Thanks,
Bane

WaveLab Elements uses the most universal DIRAC algorithm, but it’s true not all options are available as in WaveLab.

:cry: That was one of the main reasons I upgraded was expecting the time-stretching algorithms that were advertised on that page.

Could this either be addressed on a future update or the false advertisement omitted from your site?

Of course, I’d prefere the former…

I have always used the full version of Wavelab, but I must say that the comparison page could do with much improvement. These ‘limited’ functions in lesser versions should be explained in detail, so people can choose on exactly the element they need. And apparently the ‘identical’ green checkmarks also need explaining… :confused:

Yes, it is all more vague than it was with v6. However there is a difference between being vague and claiming the program can do something it cannot do.

Moving on, I’ve been considering getting a DIRAC Pro license, as it’s not that expensive, but I have a couple questions:

-What format is the program? I can’t seem to find it as VST, so I’m wondering if I can set it up in Cubase/Wavelab?

-Is the algorithm in Elements as good at time stretching polyphonic music as that included with the pro license?

-What format is the program? I can’t seem to find it as VST, so I’m wondering if I can set it up in Cubase/Wavelab?

This is not a plugin. This is internal to WaveLab. This is not in cubase. Process time is often too high to be used in real time.

-Is the algorithm in Elements as good at time stretching polyphonic music as that included with the pro license?

The following options are available in the pro version:

A) Mode

  1. Auto / Preview
    This automatically selects the best time/frequency trade-off for real-time/preview performance. This is the fastest setting but might not provide optimal results in all cases.

  2. Time localization ++ (instruments, voices)
    Selects full time localization. This is a good setting for single instruments and solo voices.

  3. Time localization
    Time/frequency localization with the emphasis on time localization. If the previous mode produces echo artifacts, try this option.

  4. Average Time/Frequency localization
    This sets the time/frequency localization halfway between the time and frequency domains. It is the best setting for all general purpose signals.

  5. Frequency localization +
    Time/frequency localization with the emphasis on frequency localization. Good setting for classical music.

  6. Frequency localization ++ (complex mixes)
    Highest possible frequency localization. This setting might not work well on material with many sharp attack transients, but it can produce good results with less transient/percussive material.

  7. Transcribe mode (for large changes)
    Uses a content aware algorithm to time stretch and pitch shift music by up to 4x the original length without losing information critical to transcription, such as attack transients.

B) Quality vs Speed

  1. Quick process
  2. Standard quality
  3. High quality
  4. Best (very slow)

For WaveLab Elements,
The options are:
A-1 and (B-1 or B-2)

Philippe

Wow, thanks!

Right, but I was wondering what format it would be in if I were to buy a license for the pro version. I’m hoping it’s not standalone, but rather some format that I can use with Cubase/Wavelab. I saw AU, but I know I can’t run that.

If the Elements algorithm was working well I wouldn’t need to upgrade. However, when I time stretch (slow down) my audio, I hear a "whoosh"ing sound behind the song.

The time stretching engine is embedded within WaveLab. This is not a plugin. I t can’t be used outside WaveLab.

So I’m guessing this is a license for a standalone application they’re selling here.

http://dirac.dspdimension.com/Dirac3_Technology_Home_Page/License.html

I don’t think they sell any standalone version there.

The Dirac PRO license includes all incarnations of Dirac as libraries for Windows 32/64bit (MSVC 6+ 32bit, Visual C++ 2008 32/64bit)

:question: What does that mean? I’m not familair with these ?formats?.

They are formats for incorporating in other programs, not for use as plugins for example.

Paul

So does that mean I wouldn’t have any reason to purchase a DIRAC Pro license since I’m not wanting to integrate it into my own program?

Or is there some way I could buy this and upgrade the time-stretching engine that’s embedded within Wavelab?

Thanks for the involvement guys. :slight_smile:

So does that mean I wouldn’t have any reason to purchase a DIRAC Pro license since I’m not wanting to integrate it into my own program?

DIRAC is to be used by programmers only, software makers.

Or is there some way I could buy this and upgrade the time-stretching engine that’s embedded within Wavelab?

No.

Ok. Thank you. :slight_smile: