Which NPPE to try first in Dorico (Solo violin priority)

Sure, but the Synchron-ized can’t really be made “no longer dry” by simply running them through an IR. Samples recorded in a very dry space with a simulated hall never sound as real as those recorded in a real space. Even the best fake rooms created in MIR don’t completely convince me. And I love MIR, I use it all the time, but I wouldn’t want to exclusively use dry samples run through MIR. The Synchron-ized basically are given a fake room via a mini version of MIR included with it, without the customizability.

I generally largely prefer samples recorded in a medium sized hall or scoring stage for the reason that it is big enough that you get the sense of room, but not so big that you start getting the room tone buildup that you have to correct out with EQ.

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does this library have its own player?
or does NPPE handle everything?

I listened to the viola solo, it was quite convincing. and the “lifetime” license price isn’t too exorbitant.

But with that many libraries, does that mean it’s an “online only” thing? Or do you download the instruments to your hard drive?

If you do look at getting Musio 1, find one of the affiliate links on sites like Facebook that still offer the lifetime license for $200 USD instead of the regular $400 USD price. They are out there, you just have to find one of them.

I got it myself for the $200 previously and it is ok - mostly useful for giving a large number of random samples of different things.

the only thing in that HUGE list of libraries that I’m remotely interested in is the solo strings part. I have no need for Tibetan macaroni noodle nose whistles or Irish Viking pedal tone kalimbas.

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It’s probably not a good buy for you if you aren’t going to use any of the other instruments, even for the $200 price.

Probably best for you to wait for VSL’s Synchron Solo Strings to come out and for NP to add support (which I’m sure they will).

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LOL!

FYI I happen to own the original Cinesample Cinestrings (with the NPPE), and as far as I know Musio is merely a re-packaging of this legacy product but in a subscription model player with limited mic positions. I don’t believe they did any otherwise re-recording or scripting updates to improve the library itself.

I’ll just say this - even though I have access to it, I basically never use it. Most compositions I try sound pretty synthetic and something off about it. Sometimes I will A/B it with my other NPPE’s out of curiosity and invariably either BBC, SSO, or VSL always wins out for me.

About the only articulation I do really like on it is pizzicato - the celli and basses have a really nice thump which I think sounds great if I’m doing a piece which calls for extended pizz.

I’d be happy to run a short excerpt through these engines by way of comparison, just let me know.

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Yes, Musio is the player for this library. After you sign up for Musio and access the relevant NPPE from within Dorico, NPPE downloads the required samples for your piece. Alternatively, you can also download samples of your choice from within Musio. This requires online access but once they have downloaded the samples are thereafter available without online access so long as you have an active Musio subscription or lifetime licence.

If you are interested in a lifetime license, I understand Cinesamples is currently running a special $199 US offer on social media.

I was happy to see Musio’s inclusion of solo strings but have so far tried them only on the first movement of Debussy’s quartet. They sound pretty decent to me and are much more “real” sounding than the native NotePerformer solo strings.

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It’s been great to learn from everyone’s posts here! I think I’m leaning towards getting CSSS plus NPPE. Do I need to upgrade to Dorico PRO in order to use these?

there’s no need to upgrade to Dorico Pro to use third party VST’s or NPPE, although there are other advantages in doing so, depending on your requirements. A feature comparison is here Compare the Versions of Dorico: Elements & Pro | Steinberg in case you haven’t already seen it.

It’s my understanding that the Musio versions are not as complete as the original Kontakt version. That’s on sale now for $250

https://store.cinesamples.com/products/cinestrings-solo

Hmmm, this just makes my choice harder, haha! I think the CSSS would be great for the legato portions of my pieces, but when the melody switches to a faster jumpier part, I think I need more crispness. What to do?

what to do depends on how much work you’re willing to put in, I guess :smiley:. The real specialists usually mix and match articulations from different libraries and put them together track by track in a DAW. In my most recent quartet, I actually allocated the two faster movements (i.e flows) to VSL and the slower to Chris Hein which is easy enough to do. if there was a library which was equally strong in all departments, we’d probably all be using it! The truth is, there isn’t. VSL is perhaps the most flexible all-rounder but many are not too keen on its lyrical tone. And if you really want the convenience of using NPPE, the solo strings options are fairly limited.

If you’re not in a hurry, it might be worth waiting for the new in-development VSL Synchron solo strings which is likely to appear before the end of the year. Of course there’s no guarantee it will be better than the original VSL solo strings! If you are and want a both fairly cheap and easy to use option, I’d go for CSSS +NPPE in the meantime – the faster articulations may not be the most flexible but they generally get the job done, I would say.

My guess is that with smaller ensembles, or solo instruments, the ambience of a big recording hall makes no much difference. In the end, one will use mostly the close mics, or the solo instrument will disappear in the hall, far from the farther mics.

The new solo strings may have a more expressive sound, but I wouldn’t expect to be the sounds that play by themselves – at least when playing a single note –, as it is sometimes expected from other manufacturers.

Paolo

this is at least what I’m hoping for as the main criticism levelled against VSL is that the sound is rather sterile (which is not always the case but you need to choose artics very carefully in the solo strings)

VSL is working on a new Solo Strings library. The recording is done, and now in the editing process.

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And I bet this criticism will not be entirely wiped away by the new release. I expect that longs will have some nearly unperceivable movement just after the attack, but that’s all. I fear someone is expecting that type of longs with embedded hairpins that are in other libraries, but that would damage the ability of using them as pure colors to be blended at will.

Paolo

yes, but for me we need both. A legato line which doesn’t sound at all like a real musician playing is not much use either. Anyway, we’ll see in due course which way VSL have gone with this when the editing’s all done (I assume the recording’s completed by now though it wasn’t at the time of the live chat in January)

It might be worth knowing they do run upgrade sales a couple times a year. I bought my Pro license at a discount, and I love it!

VSL does also have the types of longs with a swell in their orchestral string libraries, they are the “espressivo” patches. I don’t use those very often myself because the built in swell often happens in an undesirable spot of the overall phrase.

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The Espressivo patches have very evident hairpins. But check Duality Strings (I seem to remember that you own them): you’ll notice that they aren’t absolutely steady.

If you can, compare them with the old Orchestral Strings (even the SE version): you’ll see how more ‘perfect’ they are, as if forged in steel. In other words: much less immediately emotional per-se.

By the way: how beautiful, those strings were!

Paolo