Why are these two flutes not condensing?

Dorico
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In a stroke of luck, I manage to isolate a non-condensing issue to just two bars.

Could you please open the attached project and see what is preventing it from condensing?

Why no condensing?.dorico (531.8 KB)

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I guess the reason is that you have two voices in both staves.

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Changing so that all notes are in the same voice, and with manual condensing, I got this: I don’t think it will work.

Jesper

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Select all, change voices to up-stem voice 1 and this is what I get:

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You will need to hide the noteheads again.

Edit: “Bracketed noteheads” and “Hide ledger lines” are some of the properties that are independent in condensed staves, so you will need to apply them again.

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Great, maybe I missed changing all the notes to voice 1.

Jesper

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I still can’t get your result. Anything else you changed?

Jesper

Edit: Now I got it, have to select all and not just all the notes.

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The reason why this is not good—even if I appreciate the help!—is that if both dotted notes are in the same voice, I cannot hide/change colour to only one of the two dots.

I wonder if it is intentional that staves with multi voice passages cannot condense reliably. Why would that be so, especially if they have the same content.

From your solution, I can hide the ledger lines and add parentheses of just the upper notes, then hide noteheads of the notes I need to hide, fix the grace note, but not fix the rhythm dot.

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I guess the reason is clarity.

When there are two voices visible on a staff, one would assume that each voice belongs to one player. Having two voices with all of them belonging to both players would need some extra clarification.

But I see your point: If all content is exactly the same, it should be doable.

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can you say exactly what you want to do with the rhytm dot(s)?
Could it help if you create playing techniques that contained the bracketed notes, so you do not need to use “real” notes? I’m just guessing that those are being using as duration reference, but I really do not know.

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Yes, I now ended up creating two extra playing techniques for bracketed whole and bracketed dotted whole.

The reason why I was not using them here was the presence of the grouped PTs above staff. They do not react to Tucking Index (why? No idea!) so every time this or similar happens in the piece I need to move things manually.