I use a mouse to enter all of my notes in “Pitch Before Duration” mode. For some reason, Dorico ignores the key signature during the note auditioning phase prior to input. Why does this happen? Am I doing something wrong, or have I missed something? Please advise, and thanks for your help.
Is this a specific instrument, or all instruments?
I can’t replicate the behaviour – it seems to work for me.
Can you give more detailed example or steps of what you do?
That’s probably the least effective combination of all Dorico’s various methods of getting notes in.
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I think I can reproduce this…sometimes. It’s not while auditioning, moving the mouse up and down, but when the pitch is actually selected, before typing a duration.
I set up a new document with a flute in Eb. As I move the mouse up and down, I hear an Eb scale, but when I click on a Bb, Eb, or Ab, the played pitch changes to a natural. It seems to happen more often when the note I’m about to enter is on the beat, but I haven’t worked out a definite sequence. I can reproduce it every time on the first note of the piece.
I have pitch before duration ticked, as well as “Play notes during input and selection” and “Play changes of shadow note”.
That may be, but it’s what works for me. Besides, I kind of have to work this way. My left hand isn’t fully functional, thanks to carpal and cubital tunnel surgery.
Yes, that’s what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I’m working with a chart in Eb Major, but when I do the first click on one of the flat notes, I get a natural note instead. It changes to the correct note when I do the actual input click.
I’m experiencing a similar issue when using Pitch Before Duration and moving the shadow note with the arrow keys. The playback engine seems to ignore the key signature and plays the notes as if they were in C major. After entering the first note, any following notes of the same pitch are then played correctly according to the key signature—but only for the current bar. When I start playback, everything sounds fine. It’s just the shadow notes that ignore the key signature.
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I find this to be the case too, and it surprises me. Dorico 5 and Dorico 6 behave the same in this regard. I will look into it as soon as I have a moment (it’s always a bad time for deep investigations in the immediate aftermath of a major release).
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Thanks Daniel! New Dorico user here…glad to know that it’s on a bug list somewhere (thought I had something setup incorrectly till I found this thread).
Is there any news on the problem yet? We are a group of former “Finale” users who are looking for a suitable successor software. And even though we were generally very positive about Dorico, the current state of the note input is unfortunately not usable for us, which is why it would be helpful for us to know whether the problem will be fixed in the near future.
TBH, I wouldn’t recommend using a mouse for Note Entry, even in Finale. Dorico’s note entry using QWERTY keyboard (and MIDI keyboard) is very fast, once you learn the differences.
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I apologise for not being clear. I’m not using the mouse input, but the keyboard with pitch-before-duration, similar to how I used speedy-entry in Finale. Even if the first entry was related to the mouse input, I think the cause will be similar, which is why I used this thread.
Are you saying that you have the same problem of Dorico ignoring the key signature, even though you’re not using mouse?
Yes. I followed the tutorial from the Dorico Channel in YouTube (https://youtu.be/YAGdCiigLyM?si=cCg3aZ2GS4WXp8vt) to adapt the key commands, to use it similar to speedy-entry. And now I use my arrow keys + num-pad for entry, but any key signatures are ignored, when moving my shadow note. (Further described in my first post in this thread)
I am finding this same problem with key signature being ignored in pitch before duration. This is the case whether I use option-up arrow to move the notehead with the keyboard or if I type in the note name, either way, if I’m in the key of D minor (and the shadow note didn’t start on B), if I press or click to B, it is sounded as B natural by default.
If I use the mouse to position the shadow note over B and click, the note correctly sounds as Bb, even in pitch before duration. But if I use alt-arrow key to move off the note and back on, the second time it will sound as B natural.
Is there any update on a possible solution to this problem? Thank you
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to add to this discussion: it seems that the shadow note during pitch before duration entry using arrow keys is hit or miss as to whether it plays back the auditioned pitch correctly, but is ALSO inconsistent as to the note entered….mostly (80% of the time) correctly incorporating the key sig, but occasionally not….super annoying and a creative flow-killer…
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Has any progress been made in addressing this issue?
Any updates on this case? For me, this issue is still present on Dorico 6.
Still present 7 months later…
No one promised us a rose garden.
Patience.
I have this exact problem too. Unfortunately, the manufacturer doesn’t even respond to me anymore. It’s an obvious error that in the “pitch before length” and “accidentals after note input” sections, the notes that are introduced, which have no accidentals, can’t be heard.
Below is a topic in which I describe the problem in detail.
Your last post on the subject was 7 minutes before this one. Please don’t double-post, and please allow some time for a reply.
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