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Today I’ve listened to:
XIU XIU
Prototypes
Kaiser Chiefs
None of whom sound like '60s bands to my ears
I kind of remember the 60s being called watered down studiofied derivatives of the pure rock 50s.
In the year of twenty-oh-twelve … There is more than enough of your “favorite” music than you can digest in your awaken hours if you search a little. But that’s kind of more true for the type of music you listen to for your own enjoyment.
HOWEVER
Music as a tool of the rebels is pretty alien to the youth of today, it seems to me, but maybe they should have the final saying on that one. Why? Because grandad and granny used to do this and they approve of the music. How lame is that for a rebel? Rock/pop/punk/psychedelia/artrock and anything that defined the youth of that era is now the music of the establishment. Even the rap and grunge generations are growing up and gets assimilated. There is nothing obscene or subversive power left in music as a tool to get attention, get the “us and them” machine going and maybe even get a message across carried by the music. Music here and now is American Idol and Eurovision Song Contest and one of the shortcuts to the fame and fortune everybody is obsessed with these days and every corner is cut off t in order to get your 15 minutes of fame, no matter what. Music as a message carrier is dead!
Music will have to start over. It can and it will! It will be the background noise track for the rest of our lives for the comming 100 years and then the people of the future can make it subversive again. By then we’re all dead, just as our music, in the year of 2112.
I’m sorry, I don’t accept that "its all the same’. There are different eras, different characteristics. The 60s were an era of legitimate consciousness-expansion, like a biological entity that mutates a sudden leap. Since then there has been, for lack of a better political term, “conservative” reaction, tamping down the threat of change, in artistic arenas and political/social. And worse, an absorbtion and cooptation of all that is weak about revolution. The powers-that-be will certainly not fade off into the sunset willingly, no matter how disproven its methods and its goals. These last few decades since the 60s are marked and dominated by counter revolution. Contra revolution. Many are on board with that and believe they have personally benifited - despite or in ignorance of the real external costs.
Interesting and thoughtful…
WE can still trigger cultural evolution, by providing good quality music (and other forms of art of course) on the Internet.
Sure there is “new” music out there, but a lot of it is just a mix of templates, some taken from here, some from there, and from music reiterated until it’s worn out. It’s how people have been brought up in the last few decades.
Invenion is born out of necessity. Most things happen in a revolutionary pattern, and so even with music. It’s a perfectly natural cycle, when dark times reach the bottom things can only look brighter and up is the way, and when bright times reach the top, people let things slide, things start to look gloomy and the only way is down. This is nothing new, has happened before, and will happen again. The only question is, since we know this, what will we do about it?
The entire planet is in a period of near stagnation, thanks to money. Virtually nothing happens anymore, unless there is a very good chance of a jackpot.
Like Apple gadgets… a big rush for money, but it’s such a rare event anymore that everyone gets focused on this one company, but eventually it will either fall out or become just another large corporation, and in either case cannot sustain the profits.
All realms of the market ends up in a few huge corporations that basically control everything within their arena. This type of end result is the biggest violation of anti-trust laws there is. Such laws are put in place basically to prohibit anti-competitive behavior and unfair business practices, and their intention is to encourage competition in the marketplace. These corporations are so big that instead what happens is that the control what behavior competetion can exercise, which I would certainly also call an unfair business practice, and this naturally does not encourage and competition in the marketplace. It’s really nothing strange about it, and it’s what happens when private corporations in pursuit of money become to large.
Oh, BTW, here is an interesting picture… not necessarily what one might expect. LOL
Largest pet food manufacturers: Mars Inc, Nestle SA, Colgate-Palmolive, Proctor & Gamble Co, Del Monte Foods Co.
(Largest, as in measured by money making.)
Why stop there? Remove money altogether and eradicate the leverage-of-value. This way we can also take a leap on our evolutionary path and become truly civilized. With that leverage still hanging, we behave no different than the need to feed like the rest of the animals out there.
Anyone out there that do not see the corporate stronghold on governments and people around the world, or thinks that this is a conspiracy theory, has to be either a completely ignorant fool, or part of the very corporate machine and don’t want to see the troubles ahead.
Right but when you write from the heart, all it needs is musicians to relate and once you start performing, recording etc., it’s only a matter of time until it becomes groovy and fun to play, then before you know it there will be interest from business because what you’re doing really rocks and has all the harmony and soul to make a city sing.
Anyone out there that do not see the corporate stronghold on governments and people around the world, or thinks that this is a conspiracy theory, has to be either a completely ignorant fool, or part of the very corporate machine and don’t want to see the troubles ahead.
No government. No people saw this coming. I doubt the corporations saw it coming.
Pensions? Anyone? That’s the BIG fiddle. This is where “invented” money comes from because the young turks don’t care about the old and never think that they’ll get to be that old so they “borrow” it. It was only when fatty Maxwell fell off his boat that we got a clue as to how corrupt the pension system is.
Now you know the banks are untrustworthy is time to start keeping your money out of their mitts.
And you all watch football. Every footy fan from aged 6 to 80 will tell you expertly about how their team and game should be run. They’re experts. They know the game intimately.
They don’t see the goalies pulling back from saves because they don’t want to be seen as abject asses who actually know jack about the game and that many matches are as fixed and pantomimed as Mexican wrestling bouts.
See, when I pay a player £1million per year I want him to be able to hit a ball from the centre spot at Anfield to the centre spot at Goodison Park and if I pay a banker £1million per year I want him to know where every penny in the world is. If he can’t he isn’t good enough to earn that money. The trouble is what if they’re that good they can make it look like that’s impossible when it’s not?
And consider this. The banks say they pay high wages to attract the right people. Which means they already know who they want and what their price is which means that there’s better talent out there being overlooked.
What happens at the bottom happens at the top.
They don’t plot this. Because the rest of the world is too busy plotting against “them” to actually do anything to change the status quo. Sharks didn’t plan being sharks. They’re just sharks.
They’re also like rainy days because no-one likes rainy days. But the world needs rainy days to function.
You can’t really plot against clouds.
Money is a convenience for exchange; a surrogate for a wide array of resources that would be difficult to establish uniform values upon which to negotiate barter transactions. Governments moved away from the gold standard, towards fiat currency. The underlying value of that currency became a matter of “good faith”. Nothing sours and spoils faster than “good faith” when one, or both sides, has no intention of being good or faithful.
Government “representatives” become entrenched, corrupt, and gamed-the-system through unconstitutional legislation for their own selfish purposes. That is the reason the founders of America built a republic and not a democracy. The Constitution of this republic was designed to protect citizens from government, whereby democracy is majority rule at the peril of all minority factions.
In America, all government needed to do was infect the populace with poisonous redistribution concepts; to bribe enough of the people to support government expansion and curtailment of the civil liberties of the Constitution. The result is fascism, also called “statism”, whereby the state dictates and rules rather than citizens. This is a form of Marxism / socialism. All modern problems, cultural and economic, stem from that perversion.
So, since you have appointed yourself the arbiter of what is ignorant and foolish … perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten us how a mass society of human beings can exist without a system of exchange of resources and/or money? Thank you.
Government representatives become ‘entrenched’ because they are financed by big money that no other financial force can compete with. The government is bought by big business. The ‘government’ is the enforcment arm of big capitalism. Look at Obama, desribed by the likes of Swamptone as a communist redistributer, but in fact hes a corporate republican war mongering puppet just like Bush. So this distinction between the ‘facist’ government and corporatism doesn’t exist. It should be called corporate fascism. Swamptone makes a distinction between government and capitalism where there is none. The “regulations” placed on business by the big bad government is pure pretense, they write their own regulations…look at Wall Street…when big business collaspes into bankruptcy they receives government bailouts, that is, they bail themselves out with the peoples money. The rich-poor gap continues to increase, nearly all of the wealth is hoarded at the top, yet the people are still so indoctrinated by capitalism they peer out between their blinds searching for communists to blame for the plethora of terrible music since the 1960s.
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I never described Obama as a “communist redistributer”. He has professed himself to be a Marxist. He has redistributed wealth, and endorsed that policy as a role of the federal government. Facts.
I did not address any “distinction between government and capitalism”. A also do not, as a rule, throw the baby out with the wash-water.
I have long, and very vocally, spoken out against government bailouts, even before the Lee Iococca Chrysler debacle. You might still have been in diapers then, and perhaps are unaware of it.
As for government regulations, there are some sensible ones and there are some that have been the result of corruption from both corporate and government sectors. The problem is the corruption of the system and the absence of corrective and disciplinary measures. Any way you slice it, THAT is the responsibility of the government, specifically the Judicial branch. And they have failed … for well over 100 years now. Your assertion that big business writes their own regulatory code is absurd and unsupportable.
As usual you “interpret”, a euphemism for putting words-in-the-mouths-of-others based on your values and belief system alone, with the intent of performing straw man slight-of-hand. You indict, but do not substantiate. You paint in broad strokes where finesse and detail would better serve. If there was any veracity to your arguments you have failed to reveal it. You have demonstrated that sad fact time-and-again. Case in point is this very thread where you have again failed to demonstrate facts in support of your position. Instead you spew disingenuous innuendo, thoughtless straw man obfuscations, and gibberish.
Incidentally, you bring the word “communism” into this discussion, not I. I was careful to define, and frame my posits, deliberately using terms Marxism and socialism … because it matters.
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I suspect this thread … YOUR thread … was never about music, or the 60’s, or evolution.
Music has certainly changed since the beginning. Whether that is “evolution” or not, I simply don’t care. I love music for it’s own sake and don’t give a tinkers-damn about some bland academic posturing, or exercise in semantics.
I came of age in the 60’s. I lived through it. I don’t think you have any true sense of the 60’s. But allow me to suggest watching Festival Express and take note of Jerry Garcia’s interesting, and decidedly non-egalitarian view of concert gate-crashers. Enlightening and ironic contrast to the Dead’s long-held encouragement of bootleg taping of Dead shows.
And you and me are not any part of that problem at all. 
If you see that much why didn’t you see it coming?
Everyone talks so easily and lazily about why something happened but I never see those same people stating what is going to happen. But I guess that’s the bit that takes the real hard work.
It’s also the bit that the bankers and corporations do. Their whole business is built on FORECASTS with a solid grounding of ACTUAL HISTORY. Not, as we see here, historical conjecture. It mostly works but the bricks can be a bit flaky.
Notice that every 5 to 8 years or so we see a crash? Liam Neeson anyone? ONE man knocked one of the shaky bricks.(?)
Mid 70s oil crisis. Price of vinyl went up so music was more expensive. UK motorways restricted to 50mph.
But even I could see that the places where UK holidaymakers went and where you could get a very good meal plus drinks for a family of six for £5 were going to have trouble with the Euro where the other countries fed one guy for what it cost to feed a Greek family for a month. Can’t be done.
So, for Europe at least some may have to exit the Euro and go back to a similar state they had before although they won’t have been untouched by the experience. Ireland, Spain, Greece, maybe Italy. They may drop out and devalue but doing so they will attract industries which will improve their lot. Aside from that, not being that detailed an analyst, I hesitate to predict more.
Charity is pretty dangerous too. Does it tell Africans that they are inadequate to help themselves and always need to turn to “The West”? If Africa was more stable and more long-term investment was secure then it could well stabilise our markets and there’s a lot of people there who can teach us a thing or two about economy. After all they taught us a thing or two about music.
Men are not sheep, they don’t ned shepherds. They’re more like packs of dogs. They need organisation.
The revolving door between business and the state department? All the “financial experts” that call the shots for the government come from banks and big business, wherther liberal or conservative. Bernake, Paulson…the list is endless and traveses accross party lines even after a change of leadership. I won’t even bother with the list. You didn’t even see Inside Job did you? Even the EPA is stacked with industry lackeys. Do your homework, this one is not even a secret.
Theres actually quite a few people predicting things. The predictions about the destruction of the environment and the food supply has been going on for decades. But conservatives who benefit from the ecological onslaught don’t like scientists, too many facts about a fragile and finite planet that get in the way of their unsustainable monetary forcasts.
And its interesting, telling, that you state the banking system ‘mostly works’. For whom? I know you’ve viewed the pie charts on the distribution of wealth…Theres the .01% who control 99%, then theres the midmanagers doing the leg work of propagating capitalism because of their personal proximity to the table scraps, and then theres everyone else. Production has quadrupled in the last 30 years…wages have declined.
There is corruption, especially with the current executive branch. The Federal incursion into the banking industry has always been a corruption going back to Wilson and FDR. Nixon taking us off the gold standard was a mistake. The Federal Reserve is a corruption that should be terminated.
You cite a few examples of corruption and make the sweeping statement that business writes their own regulatory code. Then you assert the EPA is “stacked with industry lackeys” yet oil companies can not drill, nor run pipelines, nor build refineries because of onerous regulation. It doesn’t get much bigger than oil companies. The nation desperately needs the oil, the pipelines and the refineries. Your premise is faulty, a gross over-generalization. Who hasn’t done their homework? Who isn’t making any sense here?
When the FDA made L-Tryptophane illegal, because an isolated Chinese source of raw material was tainted, it cost my firm a ton of money. My product was pharma-grade, pure, unadulterated, and no raw material sourced from China. Nevertheless, we had to destroy nearly half-a-million dollars worth of finished product, along with all work-in-process and raw material. I could go on, and cite other examples as heinous. Ultimately, the company did not survive … thanks in part to a broken judicial system, Draconian regulation, absence of due-process, and flagrant violation of the US Constitution by the government.
I’m a businessman, and I can assure you I did do that to myself. I did not author my own regulatory code. The truth of the matter is companies large and small are victims of onerous regulation. While lobbying dollars play a part in the corruption of the system, most of the players (businesses) are too small (not enough resources) to compete in that arena. MOST business in the United States is not Big-Business, it is small to medium sized business. To decry and castigate “business” in general is short-sighted at best.
In 2009,there were 27.5 million businesses in the United States, according to Office of Advocacy estimates.The lastest available Census data show that there were 6.0 million firms with employees in 2007 and 21.4 million without employees in 2008. Small firms with fewer than 500 employees represent 99.9 percent of the total ( employers and nonemployers), as the most recent data show there were about 18,311 large businesses in 2007.
Source:Office of Advocacy estimates based on data from the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Census Bureau, and trends from the U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labour Statistics, Business Employment Dynamics.
The mass society of human beings, unfortunately, expects things to just get better, without any effort and preferably without any apparent change or alterations to how things currently works. This also makes most people unable to conceive any other type of society. When presented with new ideas, all they can see are faults and why it will not work, and they even defend the current system with “that’s how it works” (sort of familiar to “that’s gods will” stuff). Mostly people are afraid of change, the great unknown, so not much happens, and of course the corporate business apparatus has everything to lose.
There are actually plenty of projects around the planet, trying to enlighten people with alternatives to the current ways of operation, here is one that has a lot of good information: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Theres already ground-turning and real activity thats gonna replace globalism and its utterly wasteful and violent practices.
http://crosscut.com/2012/02/16/agriculture/21892/Nations-largest-public-Food-Forest-takes-root-on-B/
You have a computer and Cubase. It works for you at least. You’ve also had an education. I don’t find many of the citizens of the “beleaguered”, “exploited” and “opressed” world writing and saying this stuff and when I talk to anyone similarly it’s always in the surroundings of abject comfort where drinks and food are bought at “comfortable” prices. They also have no answers and also point to obscure and failed monetary patterns to make up for lack of solution, if soluion is actually there or needed.
Ecological onslaught, serious though it may well be is also arguable as to whether anyone is an expert as we’ve only known weather patterns for a short time and cannot be sure that paleo-archaeological findings in rock layers and such are fully conclusive.
Will global warming go the way of Nuclear ice age or things like Aids which was supposed to kill millions and eggs were supposed to cause high levels of cholesterol? I mean, these guys STILL can’t predict the weather.
There’s a pattern of belief (or two) that says the man in the white coat is always right or the guy telling you the world is going to end is right because you both drink the same (corporately produced) beer and anyone in a suit and has a nice job because he’s extremely good at it is always wrong.
I can accept that my side of the discussion has it’s downside but the other side always assumes it is ALWAYS right whatever and, to me, that tells of a weakness of resolution that will only look at information that suits it’s own premise. And that is what it always accuses the makers and shakers of fortunes of doing.
If global warming et al were proven then the men with the fortitude would certainly take it seriously as if they were as bad as it looks from the tabloids and PROTECT their massive fortunes which they would certainly not want to lose overnight. They have their own experts and pundits and they do not want men who just tell them what they want to hear because when loss of livelihood and forune is concerned then hearing what you don’t want to hear is twice as valuable as what you do want to hear. You betcha they’re taking everything into account because it would be NUTS not to.
You and me and a billion others reckon we can do it better. The downside is we’re too lazy to get out of bed.
Why do you think less than half the voters don’t vote? Because they think nobody’s worth voting for? No. Because they can’t be bothered to do a little work on those government job applications (because that’s what they are) every two years and WALK to the polling station for ten minutes.
That’s how WE run our company. We ABDICATE and let someone else do it. We deserve the government we couldn’t be ar5ed to vote for.
That’s why I don’t buy the “global politico-industrio” nonsense it’s because mostly the statements are at least as evasive and vague as people who believe in flying saucers as well as not being bothered to vote.
Simple upshot solution is to tell all these awful rich people that they can be much richer if they took notice of what we’re saying about the environment and the effect of their corporate dealings on us poor people because we’d find better ways of making money that they could exploit.
So why wouldn’t they beieve you? Because you can’t be bothered to do it for yourselves. If they saw someone actually doing well they’d be first to join in.
Also, and far more importantly, if one way has absolutely NO DOUBT about it’s methods then it lacks proper analytic methodology and so is more likely to fail than a more flexible model. Just like real nature.
Its not up to me to educate you and show you the massive amounts of increasing evidence that the capitalistic/war system as we know it is destroying society, the land and life as we know it. Thats up to you. You either remain at the trough where they tell you everything is fine and you believe it, or you learn for yourself. In the meantime, the authorities have been authorized to indefinately detain and even assassinate US citizens on secret legal criteria, secret process and secret evidence, all in the name freedom. Good luck with keeping yourself in line and maintaining a happy and well adjusted conscience.
As soon as I got done writing the above, I go to my facebook account and immediately find this:
Of course the internet will in turn destroy capitalism (funny an s is used and not a z).
The only problem is how to feed the masses and give them something to do, lest there be social unrest.