Why I’m sticking with Cubasis (even though Logic Pro looks very shiny)

I’ll get right to the point: I tried LP on iPad, but quickly realised it has some serious deficiencies. For example, there’s no proper MIDI learn, rendering my various controllers mostly useless (there’s a very limited workaround which is pretty clunky) and LPiPad’s idea of subgroups is just bizarre and again, mostly useless. Basic operations such as editing simple clip fade ins/outs or gain adjustments are awkward, and don’t implement touch very well at all (strange, given that tablets are designed around touch screens). Cubasis performs all of these essential functions, and lots of others, quicker and more intuitively. Cubasis might look somewhat less contemporary visually, but it leaves the flashy newcomer in the dust as far as editing is concerned. So: a few big dealbreakers for me in LPiPad, and I decided against subscribing to it. That being said, LPiPad does have some features I would love to see in Cubasis: tempo, time signature, and key signature tracks, and a proper grid editor for drums, for starters. Any thoughts?

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Cubasis I think has an update coming. So let’s see what happens.

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Those features are always in my thoughts along with a marker track and a on-screen display naming the project we are actually working on, many times I have opened a “Recent Project” not knowing what it is until I look in Media/Projects.
I don’t think there is anything about LP that would ever make me move away from Cubasis 3.

I agree but for totally different reasons.
I’ve also tried LP4ipad and found it stunning. Honestly LP is superior in almost any way not just because of adjustable tempo and signature. The effects and the Instruments are awesome. Plus the drum instrument track is so efficient and cool! And you can bounce from iPad to Mac and viceversa keeping 99% of the project working not like Cubasis to Cubase terrible and useless transfer process.
So what?
LP is just too complicated and complex. A case of too much of a good thing…
For complex projects I can use Logic Pro X or Cubase both on Mac
OTH Cubasis has a unique “immediacy” that is perfect for an iPad. Very quick in every action, so simple and so quick.
When I am travelling Cubasis is the perfect companion. I can sketch ideas and even make complete projects very quickly.
Long story short: after a couple of months I cancelled my subscription to LP4i
However Cubasis really needs a robust update, lots of important functionalities are waiting. 2023 and we don’t even have markers.
But keep it simple and clean please

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Thanks for sharing your insights @microtoneaudio - greatly appreciated!

Best,
Lars

Hi there, you make some really good points. Yes I also really like the built-in sounds and drum section of LPiPad - although the inability to edit some of the sounds unless you have Logic Pro Mac is frustrating. The whole app feels more like a juiced up version of GarageBand, instead of a touch-enabled Logic Pro.
In my case, I already have a collection of IAA and AUv3 instrument and FX apps that integrate well with Cubasis, so I don’t feel too short changed in that department, although loading everything up for a project isn’t always reliable. But there’s still a lot to love in Cubasis: for example, Micrologue may look basic, but the ability to easily assign nearly every parameter to a MIDI controller turns it into a versatile and expressive synth. Same goes for other stuff; it’s so simple to assign MIDI to the target pitch in Waves RT Tune, for instance, or have MIDI control over most parameters in most of the other built-in FX. With this functionality, Cubasis demonstrates that touchscreens have their place and are ideal for certain operations, but are not ergonomically superior. A user with low vision or a certain level of dexterity might (and I’m only generalising here, sorry) find it challenging to access onscreen virtual buttons and knobs, whereas a physical hands-on controller surface would likely suit more people with differing abilities. Not something that’s easily done at all in LPiPad, with its slavish adherence to all-on-the-tablet touchscreen operation.
I feel the main thing I like about Cubasis is, as you say, the immediacy. I’m a very long time Cubase Pro user, but now find myself firing up Cubasis for most things, whether it be sketching ideas or complete projects. It’s obviously not hugely CPU intensive compared to Cubase (I realise I’m comparing apples to oranges here) but I can run a very large number of tracks with a mix of audio, FX, instruments, plugins and automation, with tiny buffer settings, on my Ipad Pro without a glitch. My i7 MacBook Pro (admittedly 2015 vintage) tends to crack up with a single instance of Halion 6 and a few audio tracks in Cubase Pro 12. Thankfully I still have version 11 to fall back on…
End result is that I’m much more productive with Cubasis than I’ve ever been with Cubase Pro. But yeah, would love to see some new features. Or a whole new app: Cubasis Pro, or Cubase Go, anyone? Whatever it may be, I always look forward to the next update:-)

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Hi there, the project name issue is indeed more annoying than I first thought! So I now create a MIDI track with a blank event at the top of the project and name the event with the project title and info like BPM (just in case it gets altered accidently - happened to me when returning to a project after a year and it threw off sync between audio and MIDI tracks. Just couldn’t remember the exact BPM in my head!). The other advantage of the blank event is being able to set its start/end points to define the mixdown region and long-pressing it (or hit P on a keyboard) instead of having to always drag the locators after editing, or select a bunch of tracks, which gets awkward if you need to scroll down to include them all. It’s just a little hack - I’m lazy :slight_smile:

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Hi microtoneaudio,
Why didn’t I think of that!! I already use a empty midi track and carve the blank event into coloured sections as a marker track, I can then press and hold on any of the sections and create start and end markers for cycle mode, but thanks to you I shall now start naming my projects on my marker tracks :+1:
In 1991 I started off using a Kawai Q80 sequencer with a screen no bigger than a calculator screen​:mag: (no wonder I’ve ended up wearing glasses) in 2002 I massively progressed to Cubase 5 and finally Cubase SX2 since 2008’ish and never felt the need to upgrade any further, but after purchasing Cubasis back in 2013, I now only use Cubase for vocal correction in Melodyne DNA, apart from that - Cubasis3 is the bees knees for me especially when used with a e-pencil (not Apple):slightly_smiling_face:
Mike.

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If there is an update in the works, I hope it includes routing/recording audio from MIDI tracks so I can capture the sound of effect plugins. CB3 doesn’t record MIDI from the Micrologue’s arpegiator. (Does it?)

Editing Drum Maps would be nice too, but I don’t expect CB3 to do what BM3 does anymore than I expect BM3 to rival CB3. Mutually competitive capitalism we still love.