Why must i buy the box?

Why is a fully functional trial version available, but we still cant download an upgrade directly from steinberg. Why must i purchase a box?

I downloaded mine, did they stop doing that?

It doesn’t give me the “I’d like to download the product” option when im in the Steinberg shop. Only a boxed version can be selected.

But you can download the trial version…so maybe i can somehow just buy the upgrade authorization key?


I didnt mention, im currently running Nuendo 4.0

I’d like to know that too…

I think the OP is trying to do an upgrade (a purchased one) from N4 to N5.

And to the OP - I totally agree - what is the point of having to have anything physical delivered in 2011? Unless you are a new customer with no USB key then it seems like a waste of cardboard, shipping time, extra cash for that shipping and on and on.

Almost seems like Steinberg has to justify physical packaging in some way. They don’t even ship full manuals with any of the products anymore which makes the physical package even less appealing and even more or a waste of time and resources.


i bet n6 will be downloadable.

I will bet it won’t :slight_smile:



Packaging software is an anachronism. Personally, I think printing manuals for software is absurd too. Documentation should be upgraded regularly and downloaded to our computers on a user defined schedule.

Under absolutely NO CIRCUMSTANCES should the proper, printed manuals for Nuendo be dropped.
I cannot stomach bloody PDF files for manuals, as it forces a second computer to be running - and that costs me much more money in the long term, and is a lot harder to read in the garden too.
I’ll grant you there should be an option to D/L, but certainly not on a mandatory basis - take a look at the enormous rows over in the WaveLab forums for more on this, where the lack of a printed manual is putting a LOT of people off, myself included (no more WaveLab without a printed manual for me)

Neil…I hear ya on the manual (as long as it’s the REAL manual - not some two bit unusable one like in WL7) - but it should be an option that I can order if I want. More important to me tho - if a physical manual is offered - it should be maintained and completely reprinted (like in the case of N 5.5) where there are so many changes that the original manual can go right into the recycle bin.

Logically and resource wise - if this were ever to pass - the only choice that would ever get any consideration would be issuing a new PDF manual. I do not think any company would reprint a physical one.


The fundamental problem of a physical manual when it comes to software is that the software is in constant evolution while the physical manual cannot be. You may argue that most of a piece of software remains the same long enough for the validity of the information to be relevant, making it worthwhile to print it. But since software is essentially re-written, modified, and extended on an on-going basis, I consider it an absurd waste of natural resources.

Yes, I am a big supporter of document readers. I’ve read many books on my Palm and now my iPod Touch, and though I haven’t sprung for an iPad, I do believe that an electronic document reader is the best way to handle software documentation. You can’t dispute the advantages of random access and searches that electronic docs provides. Devs can then not only keep that documentation updated and revised to the latest revisions, but also append useful user tips and link directly to ancillary documentation relevant to each section. A second computer is also a possibility, but you can also just use a second monitor as most video cards are dual these days. Many of us also have large monitors, making even that somewhat unnecessary.

Another elegant solution is the way Microsoft has integrated documentation in their Office suite, as an offline AND online always available resource, regularly kept up to date. The GUI makes room for it when required, and poof it’s gone when dismissed. There’s many things I don’t like about them, but they do have some good ideas.

Electronic information can be revised, modified, corrected, added to, removed, expanded, etc… just like software.

Couldn’t agree more, Neil.

Go google for reading speed and perception pdf vs. paper, and you will see. For non-sequential reading (like with manuals), paper is around 3 times faster.
I have my iPad2 for reading, theoretically. Power on, load pdf, avoid moisture or too much sun, avoid putting it on the console, recharge the battery, don’t drop it, don’t kill mosquitos with it… do you need any more arguments for a printed manual ?

Well said, Sir.
I have also tried these blasted Kindle things, and they are truly hateful. iPad? at £600? not a chance. I could buy a full Laptop PC for that which will do a heck of a lot more…


No one is suggesting you buy an iPad (just considering one is bad enough :confused: ) All I am suggesting is - don’t abandon the printed manual but make it an option for those that want it. That way we can get rid of the physical packaging and definitely speed up the availability of the product and for those that want the big fat paper book…they can order one up.

Sony is doing this with Forge…vegas etc…and it’s a great option.

Again - only if it’s a “real” manual.



as with all Apple (consumer) stuff, this is becoming very uncool to own it. Don’t believe it? Here (sorry, German only)

Carrying a Nuendo paper manual instead is a very smart statement.

Another thread on these boards is complaining that the new feature documentation is out of date… and labels this thread “ironic”.

How often do you wish to have a complete manual re-printed? Every revision? Every update? Every bug-fix?

The amount of effort involved in updating electronic documentation pales in comparison to the effort and cost of printing thousands of new manuals on an ongoing basis.

I’m honestly totally amazed by this negative reaction to electronic media for software support. I must be living in an other world.

And BTW, I don’t support Apple and in fact quite resent many of their operating policies. I don’t think an iPad is the answer but I do think it and it’s brethren are the future; access to information is just a question of smart design.

Most threads here are ironic :slight_smile:

It’s not necessary to have a printed manual every update or so, and still the documentation of 5.0 covers 90% of the functionality properly.

Plus, 5.5 was a free update, so noone could ask for a printed manual assuming this costs about 10-15 USD to produce alone.

But with 6.0 as a paid update, I really would love to have this. Maybe one can live with PDFs in the garden (though it’s NOT convenient); in the studio it really sucks to use PDFs. I wouldn’t request this for drivers or VSTis or such things. But for Nuendo as the center of the creative process, and the most complex application we probably all use (or do we have some Maya/Cinema4D artists here?).

Not true. With the iPad, you get GarageBand for 3$. This can do much more than Nuendo which costs 600 times the price of GarageBand.

Plus, you can emulate realistic guitars and pianos and trumpets with the iPad. And drums. And synths, which you can control the filter cutoff by just tilting the iPad. Try this with your DAW !!!

This is all so cool!

PS: Plus, as a bonus, with the iPad2 you are immediately a superstar in all stylish places around. Makes you look so Hollywood. And saves much money for Viagra (because of the reverse Coolidge effect).