I keep running into these types of problems. simple triplets in midi score, not overlapping, tied.
Yet C15 insists on this and I can’t change.
Hi,
Would you mind sharing this snippet, please? I would like to take a look.
Hi,
The 8va doesn’t change the source MIDI Notes. It was the same with the old Score Editor and as far as I know, it’s the same in Dorico.
It’s specified this way.
I don’t want to change the midi notes, just display them so there aren’t all those ledger lines.
In C15, I am unable to find how to recover these tuplet displays from C13. This is a huge setback if this can’t be done now. I read the whole score manual. I only see triplet ability.
Hi,
The Score Editor shows the real MIDI data.
Hi,
This is normal. In Dorico (which the Cubase Score Editor uses as its notation engine) the 8va clefs do not have built in transposition, instead there is a property under the clef when it is selected where you can adjust the transposition.
This separation is on purpose, as there is unfortunately also a modern usage of 8va clefs to illustrate the default transposition of octave transposing instruments like the double bass or the piccolo. Such instruments transpose by an octave regardless of whether the 8 is shown in the clef or not, so the 8 is really just a courtesy in these situations.
Because the 8 in the clef is sometimes just a courtesy in the modern day, Dorico (and Cubase) can’t tell the difference between a courtesy 8 (which it shouldn’t actually transpose) and a real 8 (which it should). So instead they made a setting when you select the clef in the score, you can go down to the properties panel and set a transposition amount for that clef in 8ves up or down, that way if it is a courtesy 8 then you can just add the 8va clef without it shifting, but if it is a real 8 then you can also set the transposition value for the clef to transpose it.
This setting is not yet available in Cubase to my knowledge, so you can’t yet control this. The equivalent spot in Cubase would be the info pane, but I don’t see this setting when I select a clef in the info pane.
Dorico and Cubase also use the instrument setting to determine the transposition amount, so it is important that the correct instrument be selected. You can run into issues if you have, for instance, Bass (voice) selected instead of Double Bass because Double Bass transposes by an octave down and Bass (voice) does not. So make sure this is set correctly first.
If the instrument is set correctly, it could be that the instrument you are using is either not in the list or that the sample library you are using uses a non-standard mapping in terms of octave. In this event, what you can do is make an expression map (even a simple one with just one slot) that transposes the sound by an octave up or down. Then you can move the actual notes up so that the notes appear in the correct octave, and use the expression map transpose value to shift the sound back down so they still sound the correct notes instead of sounding too high like they normally would when you move them up. In other words, you move the notes up so that they look right but sound wrong (an octave too high) and use the expression map to shift the sound back to where it should be.
Wow. something that was so simple in C13, now involves so much manipulation. Never used expression maps before, and see it is a huge section of the manual that I probably need a video to understand, as I just made expression map visible and there is no map and I don’t see where all that stuff I skimmed over reading is.
I have the Halion bass and a bass being played by the akai Z8 sampler. both show the same score ledger lines.
Hi,
It is pretty straightforward to make a single slot map that transposes up or down by an octave or two (depending on the direction the sound is wrong in after you transpose the notes to look right):
Select the track that you want to shift by an octave up or down and click the + button under the Expression map heading to add a new map:
Call the map something like “Down 8ve” (you can reuse this map for any other instruments where you need to shift the sound down an 8ve from the written notes):
In your new map, click the “Add sound slot” button:
A dialog box will appear asking you to select articulations. DO NOT select any articulations, just click the OK button without selecting anything:
After clicking OK you will get this “Default Slot”. Ensure it is selected and put “-12” (without the quotes) into the transpose field on the right (under Output Mapping->MIDI Modifiers) to tell it to transpose down 12 semitones (one octave):
Then you can close the expression map setup window and you are done. This track should now sound an octave lower and you can move the notes up an octave so that they appear in the correct octave in your score. If you need to shift any other tracks down by an octave you can apply this same map, you don’t have to make it again.
Thanks very much for this detailed explanation. After M27 there were notes in the desired clef and I wondered how this would affect them, but I just didn’t select and re-transpose them and they are fine.