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Hi UncleSasha,
great observations. 
About #2 I’ve been asking that for years, looking forward to get that folder structure.
About #1, I’m neutral. I think I like the way it is as many times I open the daw and I’m not gonna save any project (just using control room to route audio from other softwares or using a VST).
The fact that Cubase it’s not saving automatically it’s one less step when I don’t want to save the project. On my system, if I want to save the project, Cubase points me to the folder I previously selected while lunching a new project, so everything stays in order.
About #3 and #4: I don’t remember if that was the case already with C11, but with C12 scrolling is the smoothest experience ever as objects move continuously, without jumps.
I use a software called MagicPrefs, and I can scroll horizontally, vertically, even diagonally, I can click and drag the scroll as I’m pleased.
I cal also zoom horizontally scrolling with the mouse pressing a modifier.
I’ve also an external controller set to various zoom sizes linked to cycle markers, so I can adjust the markers on any project and the zoom follows.
As far as zooming vertically I use Cubase a bit like ProTools, I have few shortcuts to zoom to the the height I use the most, one for the minimum possible so I see as many tracks as possible, one to make the region I’m working on filling the screen so it’s as big as possible.
The only thing I don’t like about the Magic Mouse, and I’ve been asking that for years as well, it is to block faders and pans from it , because I’m ending up to move those values accidentally, A LOT, like many other users.
Hope this helps.
Not sure I understand your issues. It usually takes me a click or two to create a new project whether I’m using a template or not. What do you find so onerous?
Regarding backup files, I think you can customize all those settings pretty easily, so again I don’t see the issue. I’ve got mine backing up to a network drive for safety should my main drive fail.
I don’t see any jittering when I scroll, so I don’t know what you mean. Maybe there’s a video driver issue or something?
The kind of scrolling you describe sounds really handy, however, so I’ll see if I can find a way to make that happen. I think I can use the middle mouse button to do that, but I’m away from my desk and will have to check when I’m home.
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For easy navigation while working I use:
Horizontal :
- keys G/H to zoom in/out project’s events horizontally (with the project cursor being the center point)
Or - ctrl+mouse wheel to zoom project’s events horizontally (with the mouse pointer being the center point)
And - shift+mouse wheel to move project’s timeline horizontally
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Vertical :
- shift+G/H to zoom project’s tracks/events vertically
And - mouse wheel alone to scroll up/down the tracks
No issues here
Cubase has nothing to compete with Logic’s Step Sequencer, and I generally think the UI/UX of Logic is far superior. The Clip Launcher is also really nice as a scratch pad when writing music… I used Live 11 for a bit and ended up getting rid of it (lost almost nothing on the resale), but the layout in Logic (and Bitwig) is better for this. The workflow for using MIDI Proessor plug-ins is also better, as they can be inserts on the MIDI/Instrument track, so yu don’t have to do any of the routing needed in Cubase Pro.
I haven’t used it for real work, though. I’m still sort of evaluating it. If I decide to, I’m buying a Mac Studi oto replace my Windows desktop for music production, as well.
I will keep using WaveLab. SpectraLayers… oddly, ARA2 is only for VST3?
I really wish Microsoft would release accessories to compete with Magic Mouse and Magic Trackpad for Windows 11. Magic Mouse is basically half-mouse, half trackpad. It’s a real productivity boost if you can acclimate its shape/form factor.
Logic also works really well out of the box with a lot of controllers. Maschine MK3, Novation Launchkey/Launchpad, etc.
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I am a bit confused by this statement. I can have my MIDI processors as an insert in Cubase and it requires no routing. I wonder what it is that you experienced.
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Meaning 3rd party midi plug ins.
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I’m looking at it right now, and I’m not seeing it. All I see are the stock Cubase MIDI FX.
I cannot add, for example, Scaler 2 or a Cthulu as a MIDI Insert in Cubase.
One should expect the MIDI FX stock in Cubase to be usable there. That’s not what I’m referring to.
Its the same as in Reaper probably. And I think, this would be a great feature as well.
Basically a track is audio and midi at the same time, so instead of creating a midi/instrument track for your virtual instrument plugin, and adjusting the routing, you basically add the instrument as a plugin insert and are good to go.
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I use both Logic Pro and Cubase on a daily basis.
What is superior in Cubase: All the chords&scales stuff. Control Room. Control Room.(it’s so nice that I have to type it twice). Resizeable mixer. Superior MIDI editing. Note expression/expression maps. Macro’s. Export options(audio). The current implementation of quick controls(midi CC). Integration of my CC121 controller(duh).
Logic Pro has more/better loops and the drummer stuff . Both are nice for quick sketching. The integrated VI’s are better than the ones in Cubase. Also, Logic crashes less often. Good integration with Garageband(used by people I work with). MIDI take recording in Logic is more convenient(saves me one click per take).
If you have a Mac, Logic is a unbelievable good deal. Cubase is more expensive, with paid upgrades etc.
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I was start my way with Cubase 4.5. Then I was switch to Logic. And was on Mac about 10 years. But in past two years Apple have a crazy (for me) price for their computers and the quality is not so perfect as well. So I was switched to Windows once again and purchases Ableton and then Cubase 11 pro. In my opinion if you are on Mac - go for Logic for sure.
- it’s an amazing and stable DAW. The support is much better than Steinberg.
- The updates are free! And of course the price is also better!
Cubase is great but if I will have sometimes Mac once again - I will back to Logic for sure!
I moved from Logic to Cubase about a year ago and I’m totally loving Cubase. I haven’t experienced any jerkyness when scrolling or zooming, in fact zooming in particular is even more fluid feeling than Logic (I it on three different generations of Mac).
Cubase has a lot of extra features missing in Logic which I’ve come to really like. One big thing is sample accurate automation on groups and FX channels in Cubase. Logic really suffers from the lack of this and it makes it virtually impossible to work with automation on sub groups (because everything will be out of time). The mixer in Cubase is far more flexible which is nice.
But the other really big thing for me is that Cubase is far more stable than Logic. That’s the reason I moved to Cubase to begin with, Logic was crashing so often it became almost unusable. This is using only 3rd party plugins from the big vendors developers that we almost all use. I’m using all the same 3rd party plugins in Cubase, without the crashes.
The other absolutely massive advantage in Cubase is the control room. I just couldn’t work without this now having used it. Being able to switch speakers inside my DAW and having my room calibration out of my bounce signal path is just gold.
Yes I agree in Cubase the back up files not having their own folder is ridiculous. Virtual instruments should be shown like plugins on mixer channels. When you bounce it should default to the project sample rate (or at least have the option to do so). Cubase is not smart about remembering inputs from my audio interface. In these areas Logic is better. But these are small niggles compared to the big advantages of Cubase I’ve mentioned.
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Build templates
Not quite sure what you mean there , all the appropriate files are in the appropriate folders in your session , if you want to backup then you can Backup your project to a different folder/drive with everything you need as long as you make them future proof, just like any other DAW .
EDIT , i think you mean the bak files, in 32 years ive never used them , never used autosave , just saved at increment so i know exact what every session contains , if Cubase crashes (which for me is very very rare )then i just move back and loose an hour , no more than that .
There are soooo many zoom options in Cubase , i have a beatstep 16 dials programmed in the GENERAL remote, plus the slide fader on the CMC controller does exactly what you say about the magic mouse for horizontal zoom 'pinch zoom ’ i think it’s called , no doubt i’ll be corrected if not .
It’s totally your choice , if you stay with logic your unhappy, if you move to any other Daw you’ll be unhappy because(of a new learning curve) it doesn’t do what you want the way you want it to ,BUT Cubase is the AUTOcad of the music industry , because it has been built on and built on which means certain things can be done in multiple way .
Good luck with you choice , i know what i would do , i would go the another Daw that i sort of know the basics of (and that’s non 
) rather than learning from scratch
Good luck
Define your own shortcuts. There are lot of options. For almost everything.
Oh God, I couldn’t do that. I am actively working as a film music composer for 12 years and there is no way I would switch to another DAW…I am a lifelong Cubase user and it has become second nature to use it.
I think your issues are solvable. Not sure about the magic pad (If I am correct) but there are many, ways to set your zooming requests through Cubase. And insanely many ways to have a fast workflow.
I would suggest visiting Cubase’s YouTube channel. There are a ton of tutorials there that have personally totally transformed the way I work in terms of efficiency and ease of work.
I used to move between DAWs and owned several at a time. Eventually I realized I only kind of half-way knew any of them. So I decided I needed to pick one & focus on understanding how it worked & Cubase got picked.
Ironically I initially got Cubase on a cross-grade when Apple bought Logic and dropped PC support.
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I hear you, Cubase still has so many functions to explore, it really is immense.
Due to work, I once had to switch to Digital Performer and it felt like all the right buttons were in the wrong place I REALLY struggled with that program, but I managed to work with it.
I have been a lifelong Cubase user. I looked into Studio One at some point due to frustrations with the program, but it felt extremely alien to me, sticking with Cubase…
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I switched to Reaper for a short time, as I was frustrated with Cubase as well, spent a lot of days customizing it, wrote my own scripts, so it felt like Cubase, as the standard Reaper workflow did not really work for me.
It was a nice (but also overwhelming) experience, seeing what can be done with other DAWs. I can only recommend it. I could do things and combine actions, which never could have been done with Cubase.
But in the end I came back to Cubase and now I appreciate it even more. Main reason was Variaudio, as Melodyne and the Reaper built in stuff really sucks workflow wise, the more responsive and simpler GUI of Cubase and a couple of other things.
Studio one felt like a stripped down version of Cubase, ProTools was horrible and felt like a program from 20 years ago.
Ableton and Bitwig felt too basic for my needs and Logic was never an option as I have a PC.
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