Wishlist for Dorico 6.X Updates

Oh, no, sorry about that. Is it best for me to delete the post?

Just so I know for the future, if someone is asking something specific about how to do something in Dorico, we can answer, but as you have pointed out, as my post related to someone’s annoyance/suggestion, then there was no need for any reply?
Thank you :slight_smile:

Sorry everyone, did not mean to be annoying or cause offense!

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Thank you for this feedback.
Indeed, I sometimes complained about a certain latency on D5, even with all audio playback turned off.

Just a workflow quickie here - it would be really helpful to have the instrument filter available in Fill View. Loving D6, great work as ever, team!

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@afsfndoin-9jnf34, I think you’re going in way too hard here, and I ask you to please give others a bit more grace. I believe @arco was genuine in offering a tip to @GagarinMoore to help them skip sections of the video. You’re finding condescension where there is none.

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Dorico 6 launches!

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I am often among those defending the great culture of this forum against incursions of negativity. I have to say, @afsfndoin-9jnf34, your (frankly, belittling) dismissal of @arco’s apology after posting what was a truly innocuous reply to @GagarinMoore:

…is itself very toxic. You assume to know @arco’s motives and thereby accuse him of dishonesty. That’s not the culture of this forum.

@arco is not a member of the Dorico team, but a fellow user, so he clearly has no control over how the videos are put together. As is ever the case here, he’s simply offering an immediate potential solution to what annoys @GagarinMoore and help improve his workflow. It’s up to the dev team to decide how they want to react in the future vis-à-vis video content.

Please help keep this forum the great place it is to come in support of our work.

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Meadow, if you are receiving hate messages (i.e. private ones), please feel free to involve me or another of the moderators, and we will take appropriate action. If you feel that public replies in threads are “hate replies”, please flag them for moderator review. This is what we moderators are here for – to try to mediate when there is friction in the discussion.

I’m going to put this thread into slow mode for the time being to allow people some time to cool off.

In the meantime, allow me to restate some obvious things, just in case they bear repeating: it’s hard to discern true tone of voice from purely written text; many posters here on the forum are not writing in their mother tongue; it’s better to give your fellow forum posters the same grace you would wish be extended to you than to assume malign intent.

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Daniel,

Given how far off topic this thread has gone, perhaps it should soon end. I’m sure there will be no shortage of threads refocusing on ways a 6.x update might go, and these might refocus on Dorico 6 itself.

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On the planet Internet -and especially on Youtube- seconds can feel like minutes! I love Dorico and not the slightest annoyance from any forum members! And of course sometimes I skip videos trying to find those useful 10 seconds, if not succeed then I watch the whole thing!
About the 6.x wishlist, I’d suggest:

  1. proof reading of syllabification (maybe too much work), in English to start with, maybe Latin.
  2. The ability to insert an audio file, just only one! It’s so useful.
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Ok, you’re going in the block list for me. This is out of order.

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I use a hyphenation website when I need English word syllabification. it generally works well.
unfortunately, it doesn’t do other languages, and Latin would be awesome.

having it right there within Dorico would be nice too, with no need to copy paste stuff or keep switching windows back and forth to get information from elsewhere to transpose it into Dorico.

I do as well, but I have found occasional errors. Now I usually check against Merriam-Webster online dictionary.

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The one fly in this ointment is that older editions often do not agree on many common words. Inevitably, the team would have to make a choice, and then someone would decry that it’s wrong and share a screenshot of an old book they are recreating. (To be clear, I’d be happy to have in-built hyphenators for English and Latin and would use them daily. I just see the correction posts coming from a mile away. Every once in a while I check more than one edition and they don’t match. It’s maddening. And modern gabc editors put hyphens all willy-nilly and there’s no uniformity.)

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A splendid reference ! :wink:
For German, I use this one :
DWDS

My personal top 6.x wish list:

  • Cutaway scores: I would like to have an option for automatic coordination lines every time an instrument enters (I refer especially to instruments belonging to different sections). Together with an option to determine after how many bars of silence the coordination lines come into operation.
  • Aleatory boxes: this is something I really miss (I’m really sorry, I must be the nth user asking for this… but this is just a 6.x wishlist am I right? :D) . When implemented, I would like to be able to set some attached text properties with it (like, put the instructional text inside/outside- top/bottom pf the box, and also the possibility to implement tempo indications over it.
  • Stem decoration: this is great if you are preparing intruments. Sometimes the buzz roll workaround is limitating… and the notehead trick quite time consuming…
  • custom staff’s lines number: I would like to be able to change the number of lines per staff for section players. This is really useful for semi-aleatory scenarios, spoken language etc.
  • condensing and divisi: right now there’s a limitation on condensing mid system if a divisi is near it. I understand the logic behind, but this makes difficult to copy some scores sometimes…
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Unfortunately there are more than one hyphenation standard in Latin. Is it o-mnes or om-nes and is it pro-pter or prop-ter? I’m using hyphen-la which is acceptable but not perfect.

For German and English I wrote a Mac app which basically gets the data from https://www.silbentrennung24.de and https://www.hyphenation24.com. All already hyphenated words are written into a dictionary for faster access.

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For me,

  • automatic intelligent alignment of dynamics vertically.
  • the ability to render individual instruments only when they have music in a flow.
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I have had great use of both ChatGPT and Claude to hyphenate text for singing both for Latin and French. You could try it out.

Pay attention with German and Russian, they have special rules.
For example German words when splitted can change meaning, so sometimes they cannot be splitted with hyphens without altering the meaning. It’s not just about syllabification.

A reply (for those who have not already muted me) (short answer, I’m leaving for now.)

Thank you Daniel, yes correct, my suggestion was meant to be helpful and not flippant. I had no thoughts unfortunately that it would cause such a problem for anyone. I am probably not allowed to apologize anymore as it will annoy someone else so I won’t.

As an explanation, I have been involved in education, teaching, writing about, tech support (related to computers, tablets, software) for over 45 years.
On Helpdesk we usually have less than three sentences for each query coming in. We have to make a best guess about how to phrase and answer the question in a way that is tailored to who they could be, their background, just going by their wording, as opposed to giving them a link to the page in the manual or long lists of possible step-by-steps depending on what else they did not say. This is best (up to now) handled by a human not AI, which becomes obvious to them if they progress with further questions to us and much appreciated.

What we often find out during a few more email exchanges if they occur is they can be between 8 years old or 80 or over. Some are developers (of apps) and give us the code to fix the UI so it works better for them, others are using a tablet for the first time, either coming from a computer or not at all, (going into retirement or perhaps in to hospital.) Some are completely blind (we find this out if we send them a specific screenshot with an arrow to clarify) and not a text answer. Some do not know what a “reboot” is or what “swipe” means, or “Back” top left (as opposed to a left arrow). Some cannot get a tap to work (in the end we/they find out they have long fingernails and need to tap slightly differently or not poke at it, or for classical guitarists (long fingernails on one hand), they find using their other hand works better (this is what they report back to us!)

Specifically, our video demonstrations are either incomprehensible even though they know the language (we suggest the CC captions which help a lot for different regional accents), or it is not in their language (we suggest the CC and auto-translate) which they do not know about, or because of this now it is too fast to read (we suggest speed controls) or if there are key commands for these settings because they cannot use a mouse very easily (motor problems, Parkinson’s etc.) These kinds of replies are appreciated and often we are told no one else told them how.

It is difficult to turn all this experience off while here at the forum, my initial reply I gave was coming from where I am without any thought.
What I obviously did not factor in, was that what I had suggested was obvious to all and it simply did not require a workaround suggestion—that Dorico users here are probably more “normal” users (not blind, they are all computer savvy and competent in technology). This is obvious to me now.

While many queries here at the forum are obvious in the way to have answered, I can see there is a large gray area where I might get tripped up again and it offends someone. This is the first and only forum I have anything much to do with, so am unsure of etiquette, hence my second reply. I started posting because of the Finale thing last year to help the Dorico team and others here, but there are enough responding with help now.

There are a number of heated exchanges of annoyances going on in a few other threads, I do not want to be part of yet another one, so I exit.
For now, I will hope to use the forum for any Dorico problems I have and stay largely silent for now otherwise, perhaps reviewing it in a year or whenever.

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We’ll miss your contributions in these coming months, @arco. You’ve indeed been a stalwart member in assisting so many users moving over abruptly from Finale., and you’ll be most welcome upon your return. Best wishes!

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