Wow-anyone following the MS/Yamaha/Steinberg news? (Steinberg Cubase and Nuendo on Arm64)

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RME just released a Windows Arm driver.
I just tried my Fireface 802 with my Samsung X Elite laptop and managed 220 tracks with Dom Sigalas’s Cubase test at 128 samples, pretty damn impressive! Thank you RME!

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Wow, that is good news! Starting to get really interesting if more vendors jump on board!

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This Windows Arm version looks very promising. I have a question about your setup. You mentioned some plugins which you have been running in your tests.
How does this work? Do these vendors offer Arm versions of their plugins as well or do they run in an x86 emulator? When it’s emulated, then potentially all vsts could run on such a systems, if they don’t depend on any specific drivers for e.g. licensing?

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the Dom Sigales Cubase test uses Cubase plugins.

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Yes, the Dom Siglas project uses all cubase plugs, but I’ve been using quite a few other ones, as I have listed. They all run, including cubase 14 (I believe) on the X86 emulated platform.Tests I’ve made have given me close to equal performance to my main windows desktop machine

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Great, thanks.
Of course, some reading helps:

So, it’s emulated. I wonder about the performance impact compared to a native ARM compilation. Good news is that potentially most vsts could be used.
Yes, I hope PACE comes up with an ARM solution.
I’m about to update my Windows System and this might be valid and mobile alternative. However RAM and SSD space might be limited compared to a desktop computer. I will wait a couple of months now

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Funny, Cubase 14 runs way more efficiently than the Cubase 13 preview version, moderators?

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Thanks for all the info you provided. I’m trying to install Cubase 14 on a Surface laptop 7 (Snapdragon X Elite). The installer however says “The installation package is not supported by this processor type”. I know there’s a preview for Cubase 13 but I thought I’d try 14 first. Could you please let me know how you managed to install Cubase 14 on your Samsung laptop?

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When you install Cubase 14 via the installer, it has a downloaded file which you have to find and install from that

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“EC” doesn’t mean something is emulated. It means it’s Emulation Compatible. It allows native Arm64 code to load native x64 code (which runs under emulation) into the Arm64 native process.

Arm64EC code is native Arm64 code. The difference is the stack layout so that it can call into x86-64 functions in the same process.

Net result: Compiling to Arm64EC allows an app to load plugins compiled for Intel/AMD, and only the plugins run under emulation.

Pete

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There’s no Arm64 build for Cubase 14 yet, just Cubase 13.

Pete

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Thank you. Very helpful. This was also my understanding that the plugins are emulated within the native host. So, we don’t have to wait for all vendors to support Arm64. Potentially they could run. Which is great.
Does anyone know a continuously maintained list of vst(i)s that run on such a system?

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KVR has a list of Arm64/Arm64EC-native products.

But I haven’t seen a list of “this installer and plugin work on Arm64 under emulation”. And, although I can definitely see the use, I don’t plan to create anything like that myself.

Pete

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For any of you at NAMM this year, Cubase and Windows on Arm will show up in a few places.

Qualcomm has a Snapdragon booth showcasing Windows on Arm PCs with our new MIDI stack, the preview native ASIO driver, Cubase 13 and Cubase 14 (a developer prototype only, no statement about Cubase 14 and Arm64 or MIDI 2.0 is being made) and also apps like Bitwig Studio, REAPER, and more.

I’m also showing:

  • Windows MIDI Services in a couple MIDI Association panels
  • The preview Network MIDI 2 functionality in some panels
  • Windows MIDI Services with USB and Network MIDI 2 in the AmeNote booth, and in the MIDI Association booth

See you there!

Pete
Microsoft

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Thanks. I managed to install it using the ‘Cubase14.msi’ installer. I haven’t run into problems yet but I’m just starting out. I’ll post back here once I’ve done some more testing.

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This is a question for Peter (or anyone really), I read an article in SOS that Windows ASIO was here and although I’m on the “Canary” channel with my snapdragon Elite laptop I haven’t seen this yet. Any ideas when?

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Would be grate if Samsung also fixed their audio plugins!

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What audio plug-ins?

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Lexicon PCM Native Reverb