Write a courtesy guide for a Cadenza

Thank you !! tomorrow I will see it calmly, but I would like to learn how to do it. The step by step. To learn how to use Dorico, I am copying scores of music from the 18th century that are no longer published, and as questions arise, I consult the manuals, YouTube or ask all of you who are specialists here.

Hi Jorge - which is the bit that’s difficult? Are you able to enter the notes and articulations fine? If it’s just the text underneath then just choose shift-x and type “Cadenz”. Select it and choose italics from the dropdown. Then once you’ve clicked outside press “f’ to flip it underneath the music.

Best
Edd

… and furthermore,

  1. to enter the two grace notes after the „e“ I put a follow up note into the next bar, attached two grace notes and changed the Property to „show grace note before barline“.
    After removing this following note in the next bar, the two grace notes stayed in place.
  2. you can flip pauses if you select them in Engrave Mode (with pauses I mean fermatas).

Thanks for the answers k_b! but actually what I am looking for is a way that is exact to the example that I sent. That an eighth rest appears below the E natural. Edwards thanks for responding, putting text is not a problem.

Hello Jorge,
the way to go forward in your case is to input a second voice. So you can have the rest displayed at the same time.
I like your attitude - to try to exactly copy, what you find in your source. It is a good way to start mastering your Dorico software.

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Select the first three eighths (rest, e, rest). Edit>Voices>Change voice> New downstem voice.
Select the first quarter rest that appears and Edit>Remove Rests
Select the remaining quarter rest and (o) force duration to an eighth.

Also „Cadenz“ should properly be left-aligned with the first fermata (on the 16th).

An updated file:
Dorico Example.zip (437.0 KB)

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Hi all! Thank you for your kind answers, I learn a lot with you. I think that after all since it is a solo concert and that part is a long cadence, so I think it is best to use the cues option. Thanks to all for the help!

K_b thanks! I couldn’t do what you recommended…I must be doing something wrong.

Jorge, I followed Janus example, have you tried that?

Sorry K_b. I still don’t understand. quarter rest ?? Its a 3/8 mesure. There are only eights rest ( 3 ) .


  1. On the third beat you input another eighth note (the lower e’)

  2. In the next bar you input any note, lets say another eighth note, like an f’

  3. You use this next bars’ note as the anchor to input two sixteenth grace notes

  4. You select the grace noes, go down to the properties panel and tick grace notes before barline

  5. After this you may remove the note in the second bar

please tell me, how far you got.

Only after this you will introduce a second voice, by following Janus instructions.

You may still just use my example as a reference:
Dorico Example.dorico (445.8 KB)

My apologies for misreading the time sig - it was late at night!

The principle is the same whatever the bar length. Select your first three elements (rest, note, rest). Move them to a new voice. This creates a new rest under your final note (which you want) and also an extra rest above your first note (which you can remove with remove rest).

Thanks for your answers, honestly I’m not understanding. Remember that I am new to Dorico and started with Dorico 3.5 and was just learning when the update to Dorico 4 came out. Many concepts are still new to me (I have been a Sibelius user many years since its inception and this is new to me). That is why please if any of you could show me with a video the step by step of the process. Excuse me for bothering you so much with my doubts, it is that I really want to master this wonderful program. I’m with the manuals here looking for those solutions (even using manuals in other languages) to see if I understand what topics should be used in the search. Thank you!

Hi Jorge

With respect I think you may be trying to run before you can walk.

There’s an excellent “first steps” guide which I highly advise you follow, available in Other languages as well as english:

Best
Edd

Thanks!! I understand you Ed. I just said that I am with the manuals here and consulting on YouTube about that specific question. And not only in English. I have not been lazy in not reading and consulting the manuals (and in several languages). If you look closely, I have been very specific in my doubt… It was not out of laziness to express that doubt. I am sorry that this was not understood. I honestly haven’t found anything about that specific case in practice. I stayed until 4 am looking for other places (videos, YouTube etc). Please believe me, I have read step by step while I am learning.

Thanks everyone for your help. I’m going to try my best to find a way to fix this specific case here. Greetings from Rio de Janeiro and thank you!

The answer is above, as outlined by the other users here, but I think if you get some practice at doing other things with Dorico then you might be able to understand a little better how they’ve done it - it’s just a little bit fiddly, that’s all.

Best
Edd

Thanks Ed. That’s what I’ve been doing since I switched to Dorico, copying old scores that are no longer published with no problems in the process. Until that specific challenge came along. I have already solved many others by myself… but this one is taking me more time.

Jorge, have you opened my (ready made) Dorico Example.dorico project I uploaded?
https://forums.steinberg.net/uploads/short-url/xWb7FQSTMKvUkQG2CA2JZIoBxqb.dorico
You would just need to select and copy that bar.

Another question: who is the author of the piece you are trying to transcribe?
My guess: it is a piano or oboe concerto in f-Minor…