Yes but those are supported by 1 company, iirc. So users are not reliant on multiple companies for 1 product to work.
If streamdeck goes bankrupt, will the software work in “N20” ?
Yes, it was announced a few months back that Yamaha was “taking” hardware out of steinberg branding and placing it where it belongs (imo) under Yamaha branding. All made at Yamaha factories under either scenario anyway.
A good move imo.
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“you would think that” is a sort of “set phrase” in English.
The “you” is not directed at an individual, it is a general “one” or “we” or “people”.
The “would think that” in this case means that it is reasonable to expect that something would be true. So instead of writing that “it would be reasonable to expect that Yamaha has a broad lineup of fader control surfaces” you could write “you would think that Yamaha has a broad lineup of fader control surfaces”.
And then the usual meaning of the entire statement is that actual reality is contrary to that expectation. So “You would think that”…. “but that is not the case”.
Makes sense?
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Thanks! Yes, ok I get it. Not sure how it adds anything in this thread though.. 
It might be an expression of slight disappointment that Yamaha hasn’t provided more quality controllers… ?
yes I got that far I just think it is not very helpful hahaha
this is first new product in this area.. perhaps the start of a new range of controllers? some optimism is also nice
It is. ‘‘You Would Think” == it would be natural to think that . . .
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I looked at Dom’s video and one thing that struck me was that there’s an obvious limitation with only four knobs, and it’s clear when he’s showing how to work with an EQ. You have to select Gain, Q or Frequency using a button before turning the knob, which slows you down. The older cc121 had a knob-set that matched the built-in channel EQ for example. More knobs also means more parameters immediately available for other plugins.
To me then it would seem to make more sense to provide the user with whatever they can’t get easily integrated otherwise. That would be more knobs. Elgato already makes streamdeck devices that the user can add pretty easily. And Steinberg already makes Cubase IC Pro for Cubase/Nuendo.
More knobs would have made more sense to me. And I agree that now there’s this integration with a third party which I suppose could be good, but could also be a bit unnecessary given that IC Pro already exists.
I keep repeating myself, but the Avid product stack at the lowest price tier is pretty solid, for good reason. Just do what they did…
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iIn terms of adding to the thread - I’m simply stating that although a controller from Yamaha is a welcome move- Yamaha have huge experience making moving fader consoles- now that Nuage is gone there seems to be a gap for modern workflow controllers that they could definitely provide. As it is AVID seems to have the only real solution in town.
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When I saw the marketing photos I thought one would be able to choose freely what the buttons do and how they change the knobs functions. So I thought I could at least make the 4 knobs be Freq, Gain, Q, +whatever, for each band.
While not Ideal, I think it is better than to have 4 bands with one control available for each at a time. I’d even say that if I can’t set it up for full control of each band at once, I see no reason to move from my current controller.
[It seems as you can do that with the standard factory implementation already.]
EDIT: It seems as I misunderstood what you were asking for, sorry.
Judging from what I’ve seen up to now, that’s a pretty clever, well-designed little box.
Agreed.
I don’t mind the 4 knobs… In fact when I owned the CC121 (I regrettably sold it), I actually didn’t use the knobs much at all. Nothing against Steinberg’s EQ (it’s good, and was directly mapped to those knobs in the CC121 from day 1, for example). But I needed way more intuitive flexibility in my workflow, and with the CC1, it looks like they’ve really solved it – I LOVE the visual feedback with the CC1. This new configuration with the Stream Deck toggles (with banks) above the knobs is a GREAT solution, way more flexible and customizable in the end, and super intuitive. I can’t wait to see how far I can customize it.
I get what you are saying though, I understand why you would consider it a limitation. For people looking for a direct CC121 replacement, for example, they may be annoyed by the 4 knobs compared to 12, and it will “slow down” their prior 1:1 process.
I think this is a great compromise though, given the Stream Deck layout, 4 knobs makes sense IMO. Otherwise to make it really make sense for 1:1 matching, they would have indeed needed 12 knobs, and that would have significantly changed the footprint. I like this more svelte footprint of the CC1.
So for me, this new CC1 balances space/footprint, ergonomics, function, flexibility, etc., really, really well. Almost as if I had sat down with the product designers myself making a request for a single channel controller.
I do agree with those who want an 8-channel version of this too! Let’s go!
Maybe this is the first wave of new controllers. Perhaps an 8-channel version is next? Who knows? In any case, this is a big winner in my book. Definitely planning on buying it at this point.
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If they kept the streamdeck buttons, yes, same size. If not, no. And since Elgato already sells streamdeck controllers my point was that we can already get one but that it’s harder to find a controller with 12 knobs laid out to match an EQ. I’d have preferred the latter.
Now, if they also come out with an 8-channel motorized fader bucket with three knobs per channel that’d be a different matter. Then I wouldn’t care about this smaller “center” unit having fewer knobs.
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I hear you. I just hope the CC1 sells like hotcakes and then they’ll realize they need to make an 8-channel version and we’ll all have some great options. The foundation has already been built. So, let’s go Yamaha!
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Depends on what people (in vast numbers) are willing to pay…compared to what’s already out there.
Out of curiosity I installed the Control Center which includes a “demo CC1” - Maybe it’s just a limitation of the demo mode or something I don’t understand in the software but I find the customization of the stream deck part extremely limited.
The pages seem fixed, I did not find a way to add any. The available functions seem limited to what is available through a “Yamaha Cubase plugin”, and it is much more limited than what is available though EUCON (basically all key commands) or with the Cubase Remote app.
I still wish for something that would allow a similar editing workflow than what DaVinci Resolve Speed Editor allows, with a quality jog wheel that can be used to nudge, slip, clip gain, move… So far, only EUCON devices seem to allow that (older AVID Artist Transport & Control and current AVID Dock).
I like the ability for the AI feature, but other than that I already have most of the button functions mapped as keyboard shortcuts and committed to muscle memory. (Much faster than using a control surface IMO). So… it feels pretty pricey if you’re like me and primarily are just looking for a single-fader for the occasional fader ride.
But that’s something, isn’t it? I’ve been looking for a reliable solution to this seemingly simple demand since quite time. Most of the existing options either lack in respect of integration, in build-quality, and/or they are too bulky, with an abundance of unnecessary feature.
I am cautiously optimistic about this one: