"Zombie" midi events (?)

[eweb]

Hi, latest cubase 14 here (Windows 11). I think this happened to me in the past. but probably rarely (although I’m not using midi/instrument-track recording a lot - mainly recording audio).

Have a look at the following screenshot:

Do you see those two gray notes. I recorded them. If I left-click on them they have a sound. If I left-click on those they make a sound. They have propeties (see screenshot below is for example what I see in the info line if I select the left gray note)

However, those notes seem to not belong to anything - to any part (!?) See screenshot below:

They are not hiding. They are simlpy seems to not be contained by anything (see both screenshot above and below)

Restarting cubase doesn’t help.

I will now copy the entire project folder aside. @Martin.Jirsak I can send it to Steinberg if they are interested.

Any chance I’m doing something wrong and there is a simple explanation? Or is it a bug?

Thanks!

Erez

EDIT (1) Seems I cannot “correct” this track’s behavior (even not by duplicating the track and using the duplicate) (2) This is an instrument track (not a “MIDI” track) and the instrument is Padshop (3) In case it matters, see below for how my midi recording is set up

[Martin.Jirsak]

Hi,

It looks like these MIDI Notes are simply Muted. Us the Mute Tool and click on the MIDI Notes, or select the MIDI Notes and us the Shift + U to unmute them.

[eweb]

@Martin.Jirsak They aren’t muted… or at least not in the way I mute them usually. I tried it well before I created that message. They are clearly colored strangly, don’t get me wrong. But muting and unmuting them doesn’t help. I am not near a computer at the moment, but I will send screenshots that show how they look when they are muted and when they are not muted.

[eweb]

Important update - I just went to the PC. Well - mute / unmute does NOT change their status (not via the mute tool and not via poughkeepsie Additionally, in the key editor they are not displayed at all (although muted events are displayed there) - you can see from the screenshot I added in the first message.

[mlib]

My guess is that the track has multiple lanes with MIDI Parts.

[Reco29]

Hi,

you have two overlapping MIDI-parts due to the MIDI-Recording setting. The one below is muted

If you open the in In-Place-Editor both parts will show up including the muted notes of the underlying second part.

It’s different if you doubleclick on a part that lies on top in the project window: Now, the key editor will open up and you will only see these notes and not the muted notes of the underlying second part.

Solution: Simply drag the first part away in the project window to get your hands on the second part. Now, you should be able to edit both parts separatly.

[Johnny_Moneto]

@Reco29

The one below is muted

It doesn’t have to be muted.
I was able to create such grey notes when the second part was in the background AND the note events lay outside of the part borders.

@eweb : In the Key Editor make the left zone visible and click here in order to display all events of all parts:

[mlib]

Or parts are on multiple lanes.

[Reco29]

@Johnny_Moneto

It doesn’t have to be muted.
I was able to create such grey notes when the second part was in the background AND the note events lay outside of the part borders.

Yes, you are right, this is another possibility with events outside the parts.
Somehow, I tend to forget about the left zones in the Key Editor, thank you for reminding me At the risk of sounding painfully nitpicky: In this case it’s actually called the Editor Display which is located to the left of the actual Left Zone. FWIW, to me that’s within the realm of the Left Zone, too, even though it’s called Editor Display. Who can possibly remember all these names at all times? I can’t.

@mlib Sorry, I didn’t see you posted something in the meantime. I started my post, had to do something else and came back later to finish my post without noticing your post.

[eweb]

All,

Thanks for the ideas! My first reaction to your messsages was that, hey, I know all that, but those gray note do not seem to belong to any part (!?) Now, since it’s really not my first time I’m working with lanes and parts etc. (I’m using Cubase for maybe 15 years or more now), I told myself that something doesn’t make sense.

Well, I think (not yet sure), I now understand what’s going on. Let me try to explain. Look at the markers in the screenshot below:

BTW, no matter what I try, I will not see any additional MIDI part - nothing that is hiding below the one you see on screen. However, look at the markers - those markers were configured that way by a mistake. And the side effect of that is very strange:

If I put my cursor in bar 374, and press record and play a few notes, then, during the recording a new midi part is displayed in real time and I can even see the notes there. And then, when I stop the recording, the (new) part disappears and the notes are still left there (e.g., if I look for them in the in-place editor). Now, I suspect that the “new part that disappeared” actually exists but has an infitisimal size (=0 size), and therefore the notes are obviously “behind its border” and hence are gray.

If I turn off those strangely-configured markers, then I can record normally without that issue. So I now know for a fact what caused it (the strange marker configuration - which is really not how I normally work). What’s left to ask is:

(1) Am I correct and there are “parts of size 0 that I cannot see”?

(2) Is that behavior “as expected”? Or is it a bug? Or at least a usability bug?

(3) Is there a way to “touch” those invisible parts? (I cannot see them in the key editor although I can clearly see those zombie notes if I enable it from the left zone - see screenshot below)

Thanks again! Interested to hear your view…

Erez

(this is how the key editor looks like after I inserted 2 “zombie parts” - )