Thanks Steve - and I ask what significant changes has each upgrade implemented? Each you have highlighted are just user experience changes. Nothing significant. The last one you mentioned is audio to midi capability. Not one for me. If you’re any type of musician you can do this by ear.
To have Steinberg customer service simply refuse to help despite me being able to prove categorically that they supported their I/o device is unforgivable.
Anyways, just getting this frustration off my chest.
Yes indeed, you can write about Steinberg Cubase what you want, but did you know that:
So in this feature autoscroll you discovered a computer game called “catch the fish”
The notes are the fish if you zoom in in the key editor.
To play the game you must do the following settings:
Set autoscroll on > Stationary Cursor
Disable > Suspend Auto-Scroll when Editing
As you know you can doubble click a note in the key editor to remove a note.
Program 20 notes in 1 measure and you can start your game.
While the notes are fleeing by in your screen, you must catch the fish by 1 double click and the fish is gone.
You win this game when all notes are gone.
So, you must not mis, because if you doubble click besites the fish in an empthy area, then you have an extra fish.
a full zoom in is in this game the hardest level.
This is just a compare, and just for fun i write with you how you can make this issue more fun then the developers aspecting 
Because we are so creative…
P.S.
You can even make the fish bigger and smaller in the screen via 1/1 is the big fish, like whales and sharks, 1/64 Dotted are the little fish…
haha.
(this is not a troll post, this was just for fun)
I get what you’re saying here. Your comparison with old analogue recording is good but where it differs is that when we were using rack mounted equipment the responsibility was ours alone to maintain the equipment. The manufacturer didn’t sneak into our studio in the dead of night and remove a capacitor or valve making the equipment totally defunct.
Don’t get me wrong, I jumped at moving to DAWs at the earliest opportunity for the flexibility it provided but over the years it’s been Apple and the manufacturers of any out-board units that have been doing the sneaking in at night.
I get some of the youngsters love all this increased usability. I say this because when I look at the typical studio the input instrument being used will be a 2 octave keyboard. Because they haven’t got the musical skill to actually play music and then use the elements within the DAW to enhance what we used to do with outboard equipment, they’ll never get what I’m saying. I’ve had one response already along the basis of “Well you probably don’t need a DAW with your requirements”.
I suspect it’s a generational thing! Put some of these trolls down at a piano and ask them to play their latest piece - now that would amuse me!
Word out innit.
In the atari age those computers run just on 1 driver.
In this time, it is a kernel.
This is a GEN3 generation computers now.
So if you have any problems in MAC i can not help you, because i use windows.
I used Cubase SX 2004-2009 just the way you use it now, but in Windows XP pro.
Other software when cubase is running at the field drivers and kernel, is how Cubase 13 works now.
I do not know if you have a possibility to make a diagnostic file from your system, so you can exclude your system as the cause of all this problems.
Cubase 8 till Cubase 12 is four generations in the upgrade fields of that system.
You can see that atari age as a history book, i did use a MSX in the late 80’s and the 90’s, that was Microsoft software to.
So there can be a differents in the situation, because i just have build a stable Cubase system here this year, without any upgrades.
For what i can tell you, all those change under the hood you can give the name GEN3.
But i even have an old CD from the year 96 with a trail from cubase, that i can not install in todays systems.
About drivers, and how computer settings are done, you can check that easy, because my Cubase system only runs stable because i did many settings in Windws and the UEFI.
All for the REAL TIME AUDIO for Cubase and the VST instruments.
And about trolls, on every forum en Social media those trolls have no self respect.
Offcourse i hope you get some stuf working.
But we are not all use the same stuff.
I started with the Atari 1040 STF, but at the time I was still using Logic from EMAGIC.
When Logic was taken over by Apple, I was forced to look for another DAW (I didn’t want to part with my PC) and in 2002 there weren’t many alternatives.
So I ended up with Cubase and I’m actually very happy with it overall.
What has really bothered me for years is that, in my opinion, new versions come onto the market far too early without being tested for bugs long and hard enough beforehand.
I now usually only install the latest Cubase version after the third maintenance update.
By the way, I agree 100% with you about the term “musician”.
Many (not all!) young people call themselves musicians because they can string together sampled musical pieces in a more or less meaningful way - without any theoretical or instrumental knowledge.
omg, 
I love my 4K screen
i started when i was 9 years old with 2 sticks and a piece multiplex, the first 2 years was learning:
RRLL (repeat this and then faster and faster)
R is 1 tick with a stick on the multiplex with the rigth and the other with the left.
rlrrlrll is a paralidle
I do not know or this is the good spelling, but with 2 stick a RIFF is repeat RRLL.
and accents and quardernotes etc…
That’s outrageous actually!!!
Put a Linux distro on it and use it for general entertainment/business/research.
You could also run quite a few emulators for older platforms on that (Atari ST/Falcon, AMIGA, Apps for older versions of Windows [Wine] etc).
Eternal round and round again, simply remove daw dependency at his most! It’s just a midi sequencer/device remote for me now with basic eq, strip! I can use cubase 7.5 on xp (i own a cubase 12 or 13 don’t even know which is the last, never used) which satisfy my need, and can still enjoy if i want any vst, however even this has been replaced by hardware! Never put all your eggs in computers, you will end buying and buying new device as support is clearly left for making people buy new hardware not better, often with new trouble, etc!
Furthermore, the device remote is now replaced by hardware remote, however device remote are still usefull for automation in cubase of hardware!
The sequencer is also mixed with hardware one, so cubase just something which going to be also left from my side in near futur! Full Freedom without computers!
I have also a new hardware based on windows 10, and it’s just fully unusable for me, still don’t understand how people can be creative with this os! Even can’t install cubase 13!!!
The fact is that musician have a different lifecycle of hardware than normal user. The computers lifecycle before 2015 was not as long as musician hardware life, but we had the chance to have xp for more than 15 years! Nowadays it’s every 2 years that everything change! That’s just unproductive for mucisian, so the best way is to left computer and it’s ecosystem because, it’s not suitable for stable senior home studio!
It’s just good for beginners because, you can see/easily understand what hardware you would need to become a stable senior home studio in 10-20years! Not mentioning that studio mount them-self very slowly these day!
In summary, senior home studios are no more suited for actual daw/computer ecosystem heavy dependencies, regarding the compagnies business plan! Keeping using daw in a senior home studios will today be heavily costly!
Just imagine the Investment to convert my pro sound card of 48 analog I/O to an actual windows 10/11 compatible (Which in fact even doesn’t exist anymore nowadays for the case), just for getting some secondary features of cubase after 7.5…
The calcul is very easy… Analog mixer+ Hw sequencer cost less…
And if you look senior home studios in youtube for example you would see that they all left computer for auxiliary tasks when other doesn’t have it at all! And due to actual hardware analog revival most young start directly without it!
And for linux alternative good luck finding drivers for most olders proprietary devices as well as cubase like tools, and wine don’t allow drivers installation!
So for me the 2K computer is just used as mentioned by brian_roland and for sure this is the last one!
Regarding older equipment there is also a cost of sustaining them, but i can say that just my 2K useless computer covers the last 20 years of old hardware sustaining! Tape machine are solid, mixer as well, just the synth, but with little electronic knowledge it’s quite nothing and after restore, it’s for another 20 years!
Those young have so many chance about the actual clone re releasing!
Cheers,
I gave it to my other half, but it never really run well enough with W10 (was needed for gaming, and these could run without updated bios, cubase couldn’t). After several freezes, and breakdowns, I had enough and had to let it go.
Gutted…
Yew, but we are no chicken.
Offcourse many people use many devices and in the beginning (lol) of MIDI, the first automat musican was born…
Look mammie, i can make music, without my hands doing the ritme and the tones, i just can program it by theorie, just like if you program a piece of music for a computergame, or a movie, music still is sound, and this computer software was never alone.
In the 90’s many people that played accoustic instruments had allready to do with elecricity, and the big marschall top speakers and the fenders where not cheap, but those musicans used their hands, and their feeds to use WAW WAW and cutt off effects you can see in Cubase in the inserts.
So, all midi devices are digital playing sound files.
That development in Computers, it depence on what you have allready before you are going to use Steinberg Products and Cubase as a DAW, that in Cubase the sequencer works in all tracks.
Even the audio track, if people ask themself, what have an audio track in Cubase to do with MIDI?
Cubase triggers the audio files in 1 track just at the same way without an event.
So what you are used to use is more then only a computer.
So laying eggs is another story…
It is just the way how you plan i before you start use a program like Cubase, offcourse you can face many issue, by any computer.
Let me take you to century 20, the 90’s.
Do you remember Roland as a branch to?
The MC303, the little brother from the bigger MC909, where DAW’s.
But, that was a computer with a sequenser.
In those days i need a diskette to bulk dump MIDI data from the MC303, and a R8 human ritmh composer.
Without any computer, because those machines were the computers.
Offcourse computers game, and since there are computers, you can see this old Groovebox MC303 and MC909 the same concept as a game computer, that was only made to play games.
A computer is not only made for games, so if you want to use a program like Cubase 13 pro, i use it now with 1 single midi keyboard for midi inputs.
I have a Roland V-drums that do not have the connections (only DIN) to record via that device in Cubase.
But at this moment i was not gonna use that.
If i want to try that out, i must have some switches for DIN to USB first.
So, i even have an XV2020 Roland soundmodule with 1200 sounds on board.
All i can not use in Cubase.
Because if i do that, i must use that sound module connect to my Berhinger PE and give midi outputs to the MIDI IN from the soundmodule.
So my MIDI devices i can let go IN to Cubase and the devices i can trigger via OUT from Cubase to the IN from a module, HALion, Groove Agent, Padshop and Retrograte are the inbedded instruments as you know the VST line.
Now Steinberg advice is never the use third party VST
But offcourse you are free to do what you want.
So if you want to do it all by only computers, that is not more worst, it can save some money and space in your living environment.
Offcourse i hope you have fun when making music, that with all experience today is a lot.
i like reading story’s like yours, because it always gives information.
Thanks.
Thank you to all who have taken the time to reply - even to the eejits replying from their mum’s bedroom. I haven’t the time to respond to every one of you but to summarise it appears that a lot of others have been experiencing the same woes as I have had.
I think the main problem with both Steinberg and Apple is that when a company produces a nearly perfect product to start with, it’s pretty difficult to produce ongoing revenue without doing incremental upgrades. You hope that these upgrades fix the flaws that existed but more often than not, these are missed in lieu of superfluous upgrades that matter not a jot to the majority of users. I look at the upgrades installed between version 8 and now and can see very little of any real use with the exception of cosmetic changes. Sure, the underlying upgrades are to ensure it works with Apple’s OS updates but other than that there’s very little.
In the good old days of the 90s, Macs used to come without any manuals. When I moved over from PCs I was alarmed by this but later found that you just didn’t need one. They just worked - and this was the marketing slogan Apple ran with. But now with Apple being sucked in to annual upgrades on hardware such as the iPhone, there’s very little to improve on. So they produce the phone in 3 new colours. So what? Sure most of us stick them in a case as soon as we get them. Why not sort the real problems that exist such as, with the iPhone, putting a clear input field in the dial screen so that when you copy a number to dial, you know where to click to paste that number into. Sure trolls, the latest OS recognises a telephone number from another app and suggests to use it for a call. But not always. So Apple just do it. And on Mac OS, when a pop up window appears on one app and you’re using another app, make the pop up visible. Not just a briefly bumping icon in your dock.
And for the trolls, with Steinberg, sort the underlying driver issues between you and Apple rather than just introducing new transport fields etc which only solves to get us to scratch our heads working out where the thing was which we instinctively knew how to do with the previous version but now haven’t the foggiest how to do under the upgrade.
A kind reader of my original post listed all the new features that the latest version of Cubase provided. Thank you for that but the majority were simply to get Cubase to comply with Apple’s latest OS updates. And what have these “upgrades” meant for me?
Musiclab’s Real Guitar and RealStrat no longer work requiring a £99 upgrade to allow them to work again. Same goes with OhmBoyz’s suite. Guitar Legends amp modeller is defunct and they don’t produce a new version to work with the new Cubase. The list goes on and on. Upgrade after upgrade needed at significant cost to the end user.
Steinberg have realised that most of the functionality users require under a DAW is now provided for by plugins and not by the host software. So it’s the plugin/VST manufacturer that stands to gain with each new upgrade. Not them. The host DAW is simply a multitrack recorder. There’s very little to improve on with this. The signal to noise ratio is as good as it’s ever going to get. Recently I was offered a 64 track mixing desk for stupid money and turned it down as it wouldn’t offer me any benefit over the 1,000+ tracks offered by Cubase. And with physical desks like these, the only upgrades they could ever offer were better signal to noise ratios, more eq bands and flying faders (the latter of which won’t make any sense to the youngsters on here).
We’ve now entered a realm where progress has stymied future development. How do host manufacturers generate ongoing income when they’ve really reached the zenith of their potential ability. It’s the equivalent of lightbulb technology where LED replaced incandescent bulbs with the former offering many times the lifespan of the latter giving a maximum of c. 2,000 hours whereas the latter offering up to 50,000 hours. How do manufacturers make a profit going forward? By introducing smart bulbs. Or coloured bulbs. Or motion detecting bulbs. All at a premium. All features the majority of us couldn’t care less about. They’re features the trolls want. The rest of us just want something that lights up an area when we press a switch.
The same goes for phones. The only upgrade I want is a better camera but this will always be limited by the sensor size able to fit into the phone. The trolls will rave on about the increase in megapixels each upgrade provides. Do your research idiots. How many pixels do phone cameras actually use? They might claim 50 megapixels but this is most often scaled down to c. 12 through the use of combing pixels. What’s the aperture control offered? How sophisticated is the image processing? Again we’ve potentially reached the maximum level of image production. It’ll take a leap in technology to provide a real benefit over current tech. Think holographic displays etc. Apple’s VR headset amuses me. Other than the ones sitting in their mum’s bedroom furiously typing and interspersing these trolls with pleasuring themselves over the likes of Taylor Swift, who really wants to be sitting with their partner in the living room with some blasted lump of plastic on their head? Did 3D video take off? No - because folks don’t want to sit with stupid glasses on which made seeing their popcorn virtually impossible to see.
Don’t get me started on AI. we’ve always had AI - it’s called computers. The only difference now is that the advancement in processing power has enabled those not naturally talented to produce something close to what naturally talented people have been producing for years and call it their own. The sad thing is that every manufacturer is now labelling their product as AI enabled. Everything from music software to toothbrushes.
Give me a break. It’s only a matter of time for this to be introduced to DAWs. Upgrade to new Cubase 18 and have it write a ditty for you enabling you to have more time in your mum’s bedroom trolling the rest of us whilst enjoying your time with a holographic Taylor Swift.
End of rant.
As you were.
So i stopped reading after this and i can ask you, why you typing a whole story just for the TROLLS?
And, do you aspect that everyone you concider to be a troll on this Steinberg Forum, in the future, use your words before they write a post in a topic?
Most info is more then alone the Computer with the Steinberg Software…
So, if you make a story like this in the Steinberg Lounge…
Then it is open for everyone at a respectable way.
The word “TROLL” is then nothing.
Troll does not exist if you do not give it that name.
So, good luck.
made with Cubase … 
I’ll understand that you wrote all this to what you see as the “TROLLS” but can you imagen your own words?
Because that can be an interpretation how you look at other users of this Steinberg Forum.
And then i want to ask you why are you talking about Cubase 18 with TROLLS?
I can explain that to you, people that try to predict the future and made some story’s just you can see in the movies, were allready in the industry of entertaining business using music.
So, there is much more to say my friend, if it goes about music…
You are not the slave of your instruments, because if that becomes true, your inspiration for new music are as a concept a large theory, that have a whole long history to.
So, listen to the ritme of a western music and you listen to the ritme off horses are running.
Then there was the TRAIN and then their was the blues…
Ritme… live is a ritme.
P.S.
I give you something to listen to, if you enjoy it, then i think my demo’s that i made when i was testing Cubase 13 pro, are a good start, i hope in this new environment.
That’s so funny. Thanks for it! You’ve got a great sense of humour for sure!
I think you not well understood the part about relationship between it’s hardware and a musician!
However i understood that you happy with you screen and keyboard input. That’s fine.
I started like this, and will never goes back to all virtual, for me it’s pure craps, i even implement a full analog clone based studio, and it’s possible that the digital synth goes to trash!
Cubase used for what it was meant (Midi sequencer), can help for production other than live! It don’t require version 13, audio device, win 18 etc, but at least cubase sx and a midi device, well more easier to work with cubase 7.5/xp nowadays!
That’s where the sentence of the eggs come for!
Use things for what they were meant, cubase midi sequencer, mixer for synth mixing, synth for producing sound, and this way you will never get trouble! Plus you save yourself many bucks in computer and many headache in making those whole things full of bug to works!
Also regarding space, Don’t push to far! I got an arturia keylab MKII 63
+4 behrinher bcr2000+ nine Hardware synth+midi device+48 analog io device+2 computer+2screen in 2M square myself included and passive monitoring speaker as tall as six feet and i forgot also the 48 input analog mixer!
Don’t sell to me bullshit!
Is was not selling you anything, but i used Cubase SX 2004-2009, in Windows XP with a dongle.
I know that Cubase 13 can give some issue’s, but i was not run in the web of issues and intruding problems that can occure because the software makers are not always musicans, but ICT programmers, that listen to what you write via a Ticket, if you are a registered member, without any cost, to get tech support, but as you know, you can not aspect that you can write all this to that tech support, because all they ask for is a dump file to look at if their is any problem.
So, before i start using Cubase 13 pro this year february 29, i know what i was doing.
So, when i read about this problems, then i understand that everyone, and me to, can run into this problem in Cubase because of the midi channels.
I used as far the sampler, the instrument channels, and the audio channels, the MIDI channels, i was not amused about those, so, i go and read and see that those MIDI channels are a bit rotten in the settings.
Offcourse you can use all this software when you have a license, but since i make samples on computers since 1996, in that time and before that i played in bands as drummer, so in 2004 i bougth Cubase SX just for the AUDIO FILES, but in Cubase SX it was easy to use the midi GM in Windows to get sounds from.
So, midi out, then Cubase is not work on is own, like you say, that shoul’d be simpeler.
But Cubase 13 is so advanced, that sometimes it was a lot of work to find all settings and remember that.
Offcourse we must have some FUN to, so read wat Shaun wrote for the TROLLS, lol.
That is fun haha.
Have a nice day.
Erik seems you read in transversal what i 'm writing!
“Don’t sell me bullshit!” refer to space need of physical Hardware nothing more.
Regarding cubase 13 i don’t use it and don’t know anything about it.
However just for sample playback i would rather use a sort MPC (Live II) than cubase + there is midi support.
Cubase is again only worth for written in stone or Professional production midi sequencer/device panel/light partition making!
I won’t use it for fun/live in music creation, better an hardware sequencer! note off are regulary causing trouble and midi timing are linked to os/midi device, and are just so bad! I can here it clearly switching between it and my hardware sequencer!
The rest if you can afford is way better outside cubase (sound generator/mixer/effects), anyone is award about this fact!
Have a good day,
Rgds,
