A question about time management in Cubase 15

Hello All.

I have a question about C15 and time management/display.

If you right click on the ruler, a right click menu appears.

It has the following:

  • Bars and beats - which I understand to be musical time not related to specific chronological time without a bpm being specified.
  • Seconds - meaning hours minutes and seconds
  • TimeCode - An international standard used mostly in videowork.
  • Samples (meaning projejct sample rate - nominally 44.1khz)
  • 60Fps (high definition standard for video) *Not the same setting as the (default) 30fps set in the Project set up.

Then there is a feint line across the menu and it displays:

  • Time Linear
  • Bars and Beats Linear

My question is how do these two last entries relate to the the first five? I think you have to choose one of the first five (normally Bars and Beats), and then each one of the first five categories can additionally be set to one of two “states” (my term), either Time Linear, or Bars and beats linear. Making ten states in all???

I am just not sure what this is all for, or why? How is this all used?

Thank you for your support

Z

It’s so you can control whether or not the distance between units (bars or seconds) on the ruler is affected by tempo changes.

Thank you for replying.

Sorry that’s which whay is which? SouthEast or Like the seagull flies?

What I mean is it’s just not anchoring why you would need to do it or what you are actually doing.

Here is the specific bit in the manuaul I do not understand:

Time Linear

Sets the ruler relative to the time. If there are tempo changes on the Tempo track, the distance between the bars varies in Bars+Beats mode.

Bars+Beats Linear

Sets the ruler relative to the meter position, that is, bars and beats. If there are tempo changes on the Tempo track, the distance between the bars remains the same in Bars+Beats mode. If the ruler is set to a time-based mode, the distance between seconds varies depending on the tempo changes.
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”Sets the ruler relative to the time”. Well if I tick it the time here is still showing in bars and beats.

“Bars and Beats relative" - Sets the ruler relative to the meter” . Well bars and beats IS meter. What is this word “meter in this sense”

Why is Cubase playing with this? I can see the usefulness of hte first five, particularly when working with video, but the last two options jusrt make no sense, although I do know that some process need you to switch them.

I feel like I am watching a match in the wrong stadium, or got up in the wrong house. Confounded, confuzzled? Yeh both :face_with_peeking_eye: :grin: :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Z

You can actually discover this on your own.
Put the ruler to Bars + Beats. Keep the time signature (aka ‘meter’) at 4/4.
Insert a tempo event 100 bpm on bar 1 on the tempo track. Insert another tempo event 200 bpm on bar 5. Add a third tempo event on bar 9 with 50 bpm.

Now switch the ruler between Bars Beats Linear an Time Linear. Watch the horizontal distance between each bar.

Then you can add some midi parts in order to see how the visual positions of the part boundaries are affected when switching the ruler. Add some notes to the parts. Have a look again.

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Hi,

it basically boils down to this:

  • Parameters in red = what you hear > basis for the calculation of actual musical events
  • Parameters in blue = what you see > basis for the visual representation of these events in connection with changes on your tempo track

The picture - one of my best works so far. My art teacher would have been so proud.

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I particularly like the colour coding…. just in case it wasn’t obvious. :wink:

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I must admit: this is my third draft. Such mastery doesn’t come out of nowhere…
And yes, cunning colour coding indeed.

@ZeroZero : I hope you don’t mind the drawing. Primary/Secondary time format vs musical/linear timebase vs Musical Mode vs Time Linear /Bar+Beat Linear - it can be really confusing and sometimes a little visual aid might be of help or at least a little bit entertaining :slight_smile:

EDIT: It definetly helps to check these settings in a test project like @Johnny_Moneto suggested.

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I did what you said Johnny it was very helpful. I put in some scale runs on a piano. All notes of equal value and starting on a snap grid position each beat.

For anyone else puzzling about these terms I am going to post a pic here of my results.

For clarity, both pics represent the same piece of music identical to the ear in pitch and in time.

Remember the Tempo is ramping up and down (not shown).

Both have “Bars and Beats” as the display in the Ruler. No notes changed in any way.

The first pic is with “Bars and Beats Linear” selected in the second right click zone.

This is what i would consider a “normal view” in MIDI. It’s helpful to think of this in notation terms. Every colored line has the value of a crotchet or quarter note - this is also denoted by the length of the lines. Basically the shape of the crotchet does the same thing in notation. The mission critical thing to realise this does NOT say anything about the length of the note on a stopwatch, for it depends also on the tempo at the time the each note is played basically the grid treats each entry as realtive to each other, but gives no indication of the speed the piece is played at.

Here is the identical performance with “Time Linear”

As one can see, the visual display has changed in TWO ways. Firstly the length of the colored notes are now longer or shorter. This is because they are representing the time it takes to play/hear the note. Secondly the grey grid lines, now compact as the piece gets faster. This means that even though the note lengths look to vary in length, there are still four crotchets to each grid “bar”.

Both useful views I think!

GOT IT!

Thank you Johnny

Z

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Great Art. I was thinking about Heath Robinson.

Surely aurally the first five sound the same. No music changes - aurally, in all ten (5x2) options.

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Thiss a useful video to follow up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HupqjI5QDs&t=1s

Unfortunately, this video doesn’t mention the primary time format in connection with the project ruler. His videos are usually very thorough so this comes at a surprise (as does his recent excitement over Suno & alikes).

If not surprising, at least very thought- provoking!

Yeah, it’s his choice what kind of content he wants to feature and if he wants to reflect on critical aspects related to AI, too. I 've seen some of his old tutorials (highly recommendable) so I was a bit surprised about the way he presents AI related content, let’s put it that way :wink: . Each to their own.