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Well, itās whether their approach fits the requirements of users & developers. Theyāll lose customers if they have it wrong. The perceived arrogance is not going to win any favours either.
Iāve had a play with CLAP and itās much simpler, supports MPE, Multi-port output and MIDI 2.0 off the bat, minus the restrictions that SB employ being truly open source and licensed under MIT - meaning itās a service to the audio world, not a money maker.
Nice slogan thoughā¦
VST3 : āTechnically and practically betterā
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Well as a user itās only my concern if the plugin does what I want. Iāve yet to see VST3 developers tell me that the plugins Iām using have a problem or lack functionality because of VST3. So from my perspective it simply doesnāt matter. And as for losing customers weāll just have to see I guess. I think itād be borderline idiotic to swap DAWs because Cubase/Nuendo doesnāt support CLAP, it would have to be because thereās a plugin that doesnāt support VST3, and at that point of course you could just as well ask if the developer is willing to lose out on revenue just to spite Steinberg or if thereās a net profit from avoiding VST3 completely.
But VST3 supports MIDI 2.0 as well, correct?
Cute.
now i see a potential on the newbie / lazy developer niche.
i prefer my hardcore friends that can code in Assembly .
No one wants performance gains, of course.
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very well saidā¦Its pretty clear a lot of big dogs want to consider this. I have been using U-He and Surge plugins in the latest Bitwig beta, and CLAP is truly a remarkable format to work with. It allows some very interesting modulation and automation capabilities.
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Midi 2.0 could be a viable answer to CLAP for steinberg if they dont want to support CLAP obviously, and more power to them. These are all options for the end user so everyone has an opportunity to utilize features across every daw. None of it is a bad thing. CLAP isnt a bad thing, neither is VST3. Best to have an open mind and accept as many choices as possible
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They sound an absolute blast! 
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If you read my post and think about it (!) youāll notice that Iām saying that if one needs a plugin that doesnāt support VST3 then it makes sense to switch DAWs, and by āsupport VST3ā I actually meant with full functionality.
Iāve seen absolutely nothing about CLAP providing performance gains, but maybe you can point me in a direction where I can read about that. Perhaps itās about threading control which I remember seeing something somewhere but didnāt read. Is that it?
Steinberg should be leading the way with MIDI 2.0. But right now, I canāt work out the path theyāll take. Particularly in regard to the exchange components and modulation options. Thereās just so much at the heart of the DAW that relies on MIDI CC.
I think it will be the turning point where other DAWs really start to take the lead, particuarly with CLAP as an option leaves less reliance on Steinberg and how they control the VST3 spec.
Letās be honest, VST3 note expression is a flop, the articulation/key switching system is antiquated, and any MIDI 2.0 hardware integration will be heavily biased towards Yamaha/SB gear. As things start to open out in the audio world I think their incestuous nature could be a real hindrance.
To say Iām worried about the future of Cubase is an understatement. Hopefully we see some good developments in the coming years.
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No, itās all a lie. Rememberā¦
VST3: āTechnically and practically betterā.
Thereās a good boy.
If youāre going to attribute phrases to me then please do me the f-ing courtesy of quoting exactly what I wrote buddy. I wrote as follows:
"I just get the feeling that Steinbergās approach seems to be technically and practically the better approach "
āapproachā does not = āVST3ā
āget the feelingā and āseems to beā should be obvious.
Your attitude sucks.
I can see this being Blockbuster video all over again. Blockbuster failed because they were not able to forecast and change along with something that was up and coming.
If companies dont have an answer to CLAP or the adoption of CLAP, its going to cause them lots of pain in the future
Then block me and do everyone a favour. You canāt be bothered to even educate yourself on a subject your debating.
You say that A is āBetterā than B, when you donāt even know what B is.
Iām trying to have a sensible conversation here, but Iāve got you and another guy who has āHardcore assemblyā friends who say itās a waste of time and canāt even explain why.
Iām sure itās just a coincidence youāre both getting free licenses.
On top of that, youāre telling me I have a attitude that sucks, and the other guy is implying Iām a lazy/newbie. Wow, youāre both incredibly great representation for SB.
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But itāll depend on whatās available to users though, right? In order for the companies that donāt support CLAP to suffer financially there would have to be plugins that are either CLAP only or have clearly defined and desired functionality that is CLAP only and then users would choose to leave a DAW because they needed those features so badly they had no choice.
I think the prospect of that isnāt all that great. Perhaps itāll make a difference at the lower end of the market, but certainly at the top I doubt itāll change much. For Nuendo and Pro Tools for example I canāt see many professionals ending up switching because a plugin (or its functionality) isnāt available in non-CLAP formats. I think at that level people will just pick plugins that are available rather than spend the time and money to switch DAWs.
Do you comprehend the difference between āisā and āseems to beā?
LoL, what? Iāve paid for every version of Nuendo since version 1. Literally. What āfree licensesā are you talking about? I pay for iZotopeās plugins. UAās plugins. I have exactly zero software that I use professionally that Iāve been given. Zero.
Youāve gone from just āmisrepresentingā what I say to straight up lying about me.
I think some folk need to do their homework first before even attempting to comment.
Iāve gone a step further and blocked you too. I apologise to anyone reading this junk.
You know Avid is on the list of developers looking to support CLAP right?