I have a curiosity:
Let’s say the written music in a measure or bar is made of various irregular groups of notes.
I would like to know if it is always mathematically guaranteed that I can reach a certain position with the caret, provided I choose the right grid step amount?
This could be necessary if a sign has to end or start at a certain point in regard to other voices or staves.
Or there are cases of unreachable notes?
There are 2 methods of moving the caret:
- By the grid resolution, using arrow keys
- By the currently selected note duration, using the Spacebar
As long as you’ve got notes using rhythmic increments that are available for one of these two methods, you can reach them 
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Thank you for the response.
I think there is a subtlety: what about if I have to reach a new irregular group when the caret current position is on another irregular group of “incompatible” type?
I mean, if I change the grid resolution the caret changes as a whole so I think I cannot.
If I do not change the grid resolution, and want to use the spacebar, but I am not on a similar note of suitable duration, or if I want to go backwards, I cannot either.
Am I wrong, are there unreachable notes (as alignment reference for other signs’ extension)?
Sounds like something you could trial in Dorico. If you can create an actual “non-navigable” case, I’m sure many of us would be curious to see a screenshot or the project file.
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You can change the note duration, press Space, then change the note duration again? You don’t have to input a note, or have already input a note, of that duration in order to impact how far the caret moves.
It’s quite a convenient way of keeping the grid on your most used/useful duration, but adapting to other moves on-the-go.
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I am trying, but I see that the Dorico window keeps changing dimensions hiding the right palettes, business as usual, I resize it, then if I eventually create a 3/4 time and want to create some irregular groups I just am able to create the first on the first beat.
So I put a triplet on the first beat of a measure in 3/4. OK
Now I want to put a 5plet on the second beat.
I reach the button with label “3:2”, I discover that the little arrow in the corner does nothing so I right-click and a popup menu appears with some different type of tuplets, I suppose, I see only the first ones, because the other are below. If I use the arrow to reach them, all suddenly changes, I am not in that popup menu anymore and I see that the mode has changed.
So how I think that changing the grid will help me, but I see that it is not helping, because it is regular.
I realize I created a triplet of quarters so better have quavers.
I have to use undo may times, because it recorded each of my mouse clicks anywhere, even if I do not remember having clicked onto so many places, whatever.
Nope for quavers, after fiddling with input modes I want to change the tuplets for quavers but it is still quarters and still only a few option I can reach.
I suppose there is a keyboard command to input a quaver 5plet. Yes:
I type ; to open the popover but it does not open.
What’s wrong now?
Thanks
What note duration can I select for an irregular step? Maybe I do not understand something.
You don’t need to specify triplets or quintuplets or anything: if the caret is inside a tuplet, Dorico “knows” that, and continues to advance by the selected note duration within that tuplet.
Here are instructions for how to input tuplets:
You can’t use arrow keys to navigate the tuplets submenu: you need the mouse for that.
I managed to reach the items below by means of resizing the window, scrolling the sub palette on the left (I discovered now it has to be scrolled) and managed to see available tuplets, but it is not what I want, even for quavers.
Somehow I manage to create a strange irregular group on the 2nb beat that suffices my point.
Now I want to clarify that I need to use the caret math not on the notes but on a different staff, let’s say I have the above mentioned irregular tuplets on a voice or instrument, and I am navigating with the caret within another staff for another instrument.
I want to use the caret to set the start or end point of another sign on a different staff so it aligns with one of the irregular notes above.
Is it possible with the caret movements? Or in different way?
Here is a little screen capture to demonstrate some tuplet input and navigation functionality.
I recommend that you simply play around in Dorico for a bit, and try out how it works. That will probably be a lot more informative than going round various hypotheticals (which can be quite hard to picture from text alone).
To get the popover to a mid-tuplet position on another staff, that staff will need a matching tuplet “container” on its staff. Otherwise, the caret will jump to the nearest grid position on the other staff.
As for tuplets: you can use the popover to specify any ratio that you want. The menu options simply cater to a few common cases.
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Ok it is not important.
Just to clarify what I mean for others I attach an image, maybe @judddanby is interested.
As best I can follow, it sounds like @Lillie_Harris has answered your questions. Is there something unanswered? Are you hoping to be able to navigate through the cello part by the “tupletized” grid in the first violin part?
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Yes, it is what I said, to be able to set the start/end point of some sign or other entity there. Also you asked for a reproducible example, now it seems that you have no answers.
First the question needs to be clear, @am74.
I suggest you treat your fellow Dorico users and forum members with greater thoughtfulness and respect. Squandering the goodwill you’ll find here would be foolish.
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No, that’s not the problem on this forum.
Jesper
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In fact, I do. And despite your incredible rudeness, I will offer it.
the seed was planted in @Lillie_Harris’ response, had you made the effort to pursue it:
The obvious problem you’re encountering is that the tuplet “containers” into which the grid is flexed are staff-specific:
But simple opt/alt - click copying will add them to other staves, and you will then be able to navigate as you wish:
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Actually, one of the big recent problems on this forum is your near-constant negativity “bombing.” It really needs to stop, @am74. When you have no good-faith and constructive questions or issues to report, please do not chime in. Thanks.
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It’s not true, my intervention in this forum is very limited, if you compare my complaints with the others you will see that I have not even scratched the surface of what I could ask and say here.
I realized that you are all good people so I do not want to continue with my complaints.
I have already gave up on Dorico, just I found myself interested in this application nevertheless and reading the threads.
I add that if you check other threads, each thread is intertwined with controversy sub-threads you or other supporters start.
I do not understand why you think your dismissive behaviour is acceptable, I concede that it is in good faith as you love Dorico, and along that you also help when you have constructive answers.
Best wishes to you in all your future endeavors.
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