Accords et sheet partition music from C min indicate D min

Good morning
could you please let me know if you have the same issue with Cubase 13 pro?
Edition accords transposed 1 tone on the request partition from C min indicate D min.
Look at the pictures

piste accord.pdf (195.4 KB)
part accord.pdf (355.2 KB)

Hi,

I’m sorry, I don’t understand the issue. Could you attach the before and after state and expected results, please?

Oh, interesting.

Chord track gets transposed along with the instrument. (Bb)

Maybe @Maestro knows this one?

Hi,

How exactly did you transpose?

Morning Martin
I didn’t transpose anything
I played a song in C min and so Cubase detect the correct accords I used.
Then I select the first track which is the Clarinet in Sib.
I request the sheet notation with accords and everything moves in D min ISO keeping C min
piste accord.pdf (195.4 KB)
part accord.pdf (355.2 KB)

Am doing same thing with Dorico and everything is fine same accords I
used C min played and C min on the sheet

Hi,

Did you move the MIDI Part over to the Chord Track and Cubase detected the Chords? So you get the Chord Events, correct? They were in Cmin, correct?

Did you set the Clarinet is transposed in the Score Editor?

@Gennaro, could you also say what you want to achieve?

Because, for me, personally, when I get a part, I expect the Chords (if present) to agree with the instrument the part is for. Otherwise, it’s more difficult to improvise over the chords. You see D minor, you play D minor. The point that the instrument is a transposing one in Bb and it sounds as C minor in the end is besides the point.

But if you want to make a part mainly for the keyboard player, that has the chords in concert pitch, and also feature the Bb instrument so that the player can sneak a peek over the keyboardist shoulder, then you need to find a way to change this, I agree.

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Hi Martin
The event
This is one of my composition which I have to play in a Church.
So, I played it live in C min then the midi file was download in Cubase 13 pro.
While requesting the function detect cords Cubase gives me the correct chords C min, etc…
Because the solo have to be played by a clarinet in Bb I needed to provide the sheet with chords.
I select only the solo and the chords track
Then request sheet music and then shows chords, surprise while watching the sheet music the chords become D min ISO C min.
Being in trouble and lucky I have also Dorico, I did the same thing but in Dorico .
Dorico gives to me in the sheet all correct chords C min etc…
If you need I can post the track with solo clarinet and accords detected by Cubase correctly C min and then the print of the sheet music which is in D min
You will find Cubase picture tracks chords and solo
Sheet music transposed alone (I didn’t nothing)
cubase track accord1.pdf (223.1 KB)
sheet music with chords.pdf (376.1 KB)

Can you do a quick test?

Change the order of the tracks. Drag Clarinet so that it is beneath Guitare. Then select everything again and enter the score editor. Does something change?

Whoaoooo
Moving the order of track as suggested everything is correct :sweat_smile:

Ok, that’s good, but since it’s a faux pas to have the clarinet under the keyboard, let’s try the next test.

Move the Chord track between the clarinet and the guitar.

If everything goes well, you should have the clarinet, and then the keyboard with the proper chords over it.

If I am moving the tracks
Guitare
Chords
Clarinet
is OK C min

If I am moving then
Clarinet
Chords
Guitare
Transpose in D min

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Ok, so what this means is that Cubase uses the transposition of the first track for the chords. I think there is a way to modify this behaviour even in this order (score layout), but I will have to check in Cubase later. I don’t use the score editor too much, so I can’t tell you right now without checking first.

Well I did some test removing the track of guitare leaving only clarinet et track chord
The score is transposed in D min
Which means that if I am doing a chord track and solo track without guitare track the score editor transpose alone.
N.B. This is not happen with Dorico

Hi,

Do you use the Transpose track? Or is the Clarinet transposed in the Score Editor?

Hi Martin
no the clarinet is not transposed and i didn’t transpose it
I played it on the keyboard live
The clarinet following the score I did
Honestly I didn’t check if the solo was also transposed but I can check it

Well I checked and the clarinet is not transposed

It depends.

Excerpt:

Dorico Pro stores all note information in concert pitch and automatically transposes notes as appropriate for the transposition of the instrument. This means notes, key signatures, and chord symbols are automatically changed in transposing layouts compared to non-transposing layouts.

Bold is mine.

In this situation, the trouble is that A) the Clarinet is a transposing instrument, and B) that by default, Chords will go to the first available track. Since the first track is the Clarinet, the chords will be transposed for a Bb instrument.

Got it!

“Use Display Transpose”. That’s what you want to turn off.

Thank you so much gg
I got it
I will check and do it