I think I need some setup for this question.
I’m porting a piece from Finale into Dorico that uses box notation.
After that box I want the staff to be a single line. So I’m using the 1-line custom instrument trick and that works fine except for one issue the clef placement. The are not treating the middle line as a B (c) or D more like an E or G.
How to I get these clefs in the correct placement related to the 1-line. The percussion clef seems to be correct just not the others.
Beyond this issue I have it working and looking like I want () with Dorico 6 since the condensing bug got fixed.
The Box I made works great, better then Finale’s by leaps and bounds, though if you had staff-styles like Finale the line measures would be 1000% easier to create.
You can choose treble clef for 3-line under Instrument definition, and change the clef’s y-position under Library→Music Symbols→Clefs. Unless you need the 3-line clef in the same score. Then edit and use some other clef. For alto, I used the 4-line treble clef and replaced it.
I think perhaps @FredGUnn created those. Unzip and put this in your user Library→Application Support→Steinberg→Dorico 6→DefaultLibraryAdditions. Create the DefaultLibraryAdditions folder if it doesn’t exist. Only know for Mac.
So that’s the way to create custom clefs. A bit tricky. Can’t you just edit some other unused clefs?
Thanks I built some custom libraries already so I’m familiar thanks.
I’ll look at the xml and see if I can figure out how to build what I need.
I can look at modifying some other clefs as well just wasn’t sure if I was missing something or if there was a place to make them I didn’t know about. The clef panel seems to have more options then the Music Symbols→Clefs so that confusing as well.
Long term I defiantly want to get all of this stuff I built for Box Notation into a Library I can reuse, so thanks for passing on what you have.
Maybe there needs to be one in the lib file. If deleting it there causes problems delete it under Music Symbols. And please send me your 1-line clef when your done.
OK it seem this idea not going to work for my needs. The Small clef that now shows up seem to be related to Instrument Name change for some reason. when I select that it also hi-lights but when I scale it 1 to hide that clef does not hide. It also seem to always appear even if I remove the (small) version.
So I guess what I have is as close as I can get and I’ll fix the score as a PDF moving the clefs to the proper location. Seem like the less of the evils.
Anyway I add my experiment into your 3 and 4 line treble clef so it now as a 1-line if that is useful to you in anyway.
Oh and while the lib is set the y placement to -5, when it loads it end up as 5 something odd with reading the value from the xml lib but in the UI you can add and minus in front and goes to the right place.
It still leave an unwanted gap when the clef is moved.
But I did have an epiphany this morning.
I can make the clef i need as a playing techniques and put the 1-line instrument back to the original invisible clef as default and then play the clef where it needs to be.
Well nuts my idea also broken down I should have scrolled a few more pages.
Seem this also has the same issue withe clef when the instrument switch back from the 1-line instrument.
Thanks so much for the continued efforts here.
You lines that cover staff might be a solution for my use case/ workflow.
Personally have a collections of pieces that will benefit from the cutaway feature. I’m excited about that, after this piece I’m porting I plan on working on porting one that will make use of that new feature.
But for this workflow it won’t, even though your example look fantastic.
I don’t want to waste more of your time (especially if you don’t work for Steinberg and are just being kind to me) but I’ll explain the workflow I used in Finale I’m trying to replicate.
So in finale I could get a representational playback from the box notation.
Here an example of how I did things in finale and how it helped with play back using box notation.
So this is how I’m trying to replicate this work flow so I have play back in Dorico:
I have the 1-line instrument and notes for playback then when through the pain staking process of hidden all the notes, rests and stems etc. So this does work like my work flow in Finale I get a playback version and it almost looks right minus the staff placement you have been helping me with.
Sorry for the long winded explanation but I thought the context of my goals might help.
Now I’m assuming the cutaways only cut when there are no notes in the measure. So that would make the goal of playback not work for me.
Honestly, I only looked at it for a few minutes so I don’t know all it’s capabilities.
Thank you for the examples I will dig into them, I sure I’ll learn something.
I thought that this idea was very promising and for purely aleatoric piece based on time I think it would be. But with a piece like mine where some parts are in time and conducted and parts in aleatoric box, I need the measure barlines visible so the performers stay in the right place. I try putting a vertical line where the bar line would be but couldn’t control the z-index so it remained behind the horizontal line.
) with Dorico 6 since the condensing bug got fixed.
