AI integration into jump bar?

In the process of switching to Dorico, after nearly 30 years in Finale, and I am totally enthralled with the jump bar. Has there been any talk about incorporating AI into its functionality? The possibilities seem fascinating and it already kind of does AI-type stuff already!

Welcome to the forum - and to Dorico, too, I suppose.

I hate to rain on your parade, but I personally would not welcome AI in any part of Dorico. We’ve actually had a similar inquiry about the new proofreading feature a few months back. The Dorico ā€˜brass’ (pun intended) explained at the time that there’s nothing artificial about that feature, certainly not in the generative-AI sense, and that’s how I’m understanding the jump bar as well. I guess I’m not sure how you’re envisioning an AI jump bar.

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Sorry to hear that on all accounts. I feel like that such an amazing resource can be incredibly helpful for what we do! Everything from ā€œformat the piece to fit onto 2 pagesā€ to ā€œCopy the Formatting of Flute 1 into Flute 2ā€ (a la Finale’s JW Copy Part Layout plugin) to ā€œrandomize the order of these pitchesā€ (a la Finale’s JW Change plugin) to ā€œmake a swing drum grooveā€ (a la Finale’s Drum Groove plugin) to ā€œwrite a 5 bar transition between these two sections or pieces.ā€ I guess I mainly see it as a way to expand and improve upon Finale’s plugins as translated to Dorico, but also really embrace its generative potential and using that generation to inspire creation. I’m sorry that no one really sees or wants to embrace the overwhelmingly positive qualities the technology offers. An axe can be used to chop down a tree or to murder your neighbor, as Herbie Hancock one said about the Fairlight CMI sampler, and that’s the lens through which I view AI.

If Dorico would start doing stuff like this, and therefore stop being deterministic, reliable or honest (to say nothing about the copyright infringement), I might just go back to pen and paper.

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While I’m generally open to ā€œAIā€ in its current implementation for quick, throwaway tasks like, let’s say a replacement for generic stock footage and the like, I’m convinced that it’s near totally useless for factual retrieval.

Results relating to the operation of Dorico for example are either comically absurd or sound dangerously sensible, but are just dead wrong and misleading. Same for other fact based inquiries.

And the above quote crosses the line for me, since I do care a lot about my music, and do not want to misrepresent my work as being made by me, when it isn’t.

But for AI to spit out a quick rental contract, sure!

And, to be clear, your other scenarios would sort of fall into that ā€œmenial taskā€ category, much in the same way that Tony Stark interacts with his Jarvisā„¢ system, so again, sure, why not!

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Hello @Josh_Oxford , and welcome to the forum!

So, about this:

I think you can already do that without AI by typing ā€œpropagate part formattingā€.

About the other parts of the message, of course to enhance the jump bar with generative AI would be great for all of the menial work. But yes:

That would be over the line too for me as well. Maybe some kind of generative tool for automated compositional process making would be more suitable

Sorry to be so triggery! I forgot to add that I would of course edit the 5 bar transition and not just have AI do all the work. In any case thanks for the ā€œpropagate partsā€ info and I would really love Dorico to consider looking at the old Finale Plugins to integrate. Again I’ll emphasize the idea of integrating non-generative AI into the jump bar and hope that it will ethically be considered.

There’s nothing to apologize for! :grin:
It is good to have such discussion :smiley:

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Dorico is very smart already, and will become a lot smarter in the future, covering different areas of notation and facets of the program. Like, branching into guitar some more (having interdependent position, TAB and fingering controls), and tackling rhythmic modulation comprehensively. When these functions arrive, they will feel a little like magic, just like condensing does now, for example. No need to employ machine learning everywhere, just some slick programming by some very smart and dedicated people will do the job just fine… :smiling_face:

Cheers, Benji