Hello Friends, I just want and need to know if there is any problem setting up a DAW based on Amd Ryzen Threadripper 7970x, 32 cores, 64 threads, with Cubase 13 Pro. This topic has been consulted with Steinberg support but to my surprise and Without knowing why, they no longer answer me, I want to think that it is due to some type of communication error. However, after the experience with Intel I have seen this wonderful processor that is not for servers as many people think, although it does implement their capabilities and, well I just need to know what you think??, before installing it, logically I am looking for everything type of advice, Mr. Joaquin Garcia has not answered, AMD has answered me and they tell me that there should be no problem, but he also recommends consulting with the people we compose this wonderful world of music through computing. Please, given the aptitude you have taken here, on top of that I use your products and I want to switch to Cubase 13 pro, Steinberg Supportā¦ I urge whoever reads this to give me a hand, also because it is a very expensive processor or of the expensive ones and, I want to do things well. It would run under Windows 11 Pro 64X. Thank you in advance for everything. Greetings from Spain-Vizcaya.
I would wait until there are reviews out using at least the DAWbench test benchmark. Threadrippers have sometimes not had the performance people wish they had and some were even very problematic (a few years ago). The last I heard was that the test that uses plugins exclusively, meaning things like multiband compressors etc., showed insanely good performance on the 7960X. However, the VI test which uses virtual instruments (Kontakt player I believe) played back fewer voices than the tester was hoping for. Now, itās still (to me) an insane amount of voices, but itās not really worth it by itself compared to the top-of-the-line consumer line CPUs.
So if youāre doing purely mixing with plugins then it might be worth it, and maybe also with a mixed workflow. But purely compositional and virtual instruments maybe not.
Either way I would say wait and see.
PS: The scaling of CPU core/thread usage seems to be much smoother in other DAWs, so this seems to still be a problem for Steinberg to solve.
I have not seen any updates for C13. But even if works fine there it is likely that cubase will not utilize all cores. I think C12 was limited to 14 cores.
The limit was logical cores if memory servers me right. And it was changed earlier.
Hereās an image from a preliminary test using DAWbench (7960X):
Cubase is to the left. As you can see the first 16 threads are used 100% and then for each core only one thread is maxed out and the other is at anywhere from 20 to 60%, from what I can tell. The same CPU with the same test in a different DAW is on the right, with all logical cores using 100%.
This topic may be of interest. Also note the link posted by Fabio.
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Hola Amigos. En primer lugar, agradeceros de todo corazĆ³n vuestras inestimables respuesta que arrojan claridad ha este tema parece, ser que algo " Espinoso ". Entiendo por vuestras respuestas y las demos del DAWbench, que parece ser que ahra mismo y tal y como esta programado Cubase 13 Pro, puede ser hasta contraproducente el tener una CPU de muchos nucleos y suprocesadores lĆ³gicos. Parece ser que existen limitaciones tanto por parte de Windows y lo peor por partedel propio Cubase
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Hello friends. First of all, I would like to thank you with all my heart for your invaluable responses to MattiasNYC, Cmlib and Cubace and to everyone in general. Cubace, has left me perplexed with his comment about the limitation of Cubase to 14 Cores, this in the 21st century and at the height that This Musical Computing is simply inconceivable, Steinberg, I have known him since his birth, almost and he has always seemed the best to me, I see that for whatever reasons, they have to polish and improve their best creations. Your answers shed clarity on this topic, It seems to be something āTrickyā since Steinberg still doesnāt respond to me and I think they wonāt, I donāt know why, but they donāt and thatās not how you treat a Client. I understand from your answers and the DAWbench demos, that they are made with the Threadripper 7960X, not with the 32-Core 7970x, which is the one I have in mind, that it seems that right now and as it is programmed Cubase 13 Pro, it can even be counterproductive to have a CPU with many cores and logical subprocessors. It seems that there are limitations both on the part of Windows (I already knew that) and the worst on the part of Cubase itself, which inevitably raises another question, what is the ideal CPU to work with cubae 13 pro?, because I have already seen What happened to Fabio and fortunately he was able to solve it, logically I donāt know what CPU Fabio has. I recently had a computer based on I9 14900K, clearly the Technicians told me that I was going to have too much (I didnāt think so), the DAWbench that I do is always with a very difficult library, it is the Pharlight, because it is a library that makes the CPUs āfineā, uses a lot of voices, effects like Replika that consume a lot of CPU, and if the processor can handle it, itās fine for me, if the processor is put with a monophony and 70 or 80 voices at 40 %, it doesnāt work for me and with the 14900k the same thing happened to me, with Kontakt obviously in this case it only recognized 16 Cores instead of the 32 or at least 24 of the Intel 14900K processor, I even tried the free version of Kontakt 7 Because I have 6.8.0 and I like movies and I donāt really like certain things about Kontakt 7 and, it recognized the same Cores, 16. And no one answers, only you, which is already a lot, you are good people, really. I certainly donāt know what to do after seeing your demos and answers, the truth is that in the World of MAC these types of cases are also happening. I also have an I9 9900 yes letter and exactly the same thing happens to me, the CPU oscillates a lot, well or rather the performance meter of Kontakt and the Cubase 11 AI Le, I wanted to upgrade to the Cubase 13 pro, but one of them gets lost I wonder if this is going to lead to more problems. I also have an I5 4600, it is many years old and do you know something? It can handle everything, with its 4 cores it is impressive, but it is already many years old and one day it will break down and they no longer exist. spare parts for itā¦ anyway, Iāll still take the AMd, the Thradripper 7970x, which is now one of the best there is and, if the Cubase gives me problems with the number of threads, then we will use its tool or the configuration of the midi port in Studio or whatever is needed, but let it be known that I am not clear about it, I know that in the not too distant future, the full potential of this type of processors will be exploited, by Steinberg, Presonus, cakewalk, etc., but not for now. A shame . Friends, if there is anything I can do for you, do not hesitate to contact me. I thank you very much for your interest and responses, from the bottom of my heart. Greetings from Vizcaya-Spain.
Hello friends. First of all, I would like to thank you with all my heart for your invaluable responses to MattiasNYC, Cmlib and Cubace and to everyone in general. Cubace, has left me perplexed with his comment about the limitation of Cubase to 14 Cores, this in the 21st century and at the height that This Musical Computing is simply inconceivable, Steinberg, I have known him since his birth, almost and he has always seemed the best to me, I see that for whatever reasons, they have to polish and improve their best creations. Your answers shed clarity on this topic, It seems to be something āTrickyā since Steinberg still doesnāt respond to me and I think they wonāt, I donāt know why, but they donāt and thatās not how you treat a Client. I understand from your answers and the DAWbench demos, that they are made with the Threadripper 7960X, not with the 32-Core 7970x, which is the one I have in mind, that it seems that right now and as it is programmed Cubase 13 Pro, it can even be counterproductive to have a CPU with many cores and logical subprocessors. It seems that there are limitations both on the part of Windows (I already knew that) and the worst on the part of Cubase itself, which inevitably raises another question, what is the ideal CPU to work with cubae 13 pro?, because I have already seen What happened to Fabio and fortunately he was able to solve it, logically I donāt know what CPU Fabio has. I recently had a computer based on I9 14900K, clearly the Technicians told me that I was going to have too much (I didnāt think so), the DAWbench that I do is always with a very difficult library, it is the Pharlight, because it is a library that makes the CPUs āfineā, uses a lot of voices, effects like Replika that consume a lot of CPU, and if the processor can handle it, itās fine for me, if the processor is put with a monophony and 70 or 80 voices at 40 %, it doesnāt work for me and with the 14900k the same thing happened to me, with Kontakt obviously in this case it only recognized 16 Cores instead of the 32 or at least 24 of the Intel 14900K processor, I even tried the free version of Kontakt 7 Because I have 6.8.0 and I like movies and I donāt really like certain things about Kontakt 7 and, it recognized the same Cores, 16. And no one answers, only you, which is already a lot, you are good people, really. I certainly donāt know what to do after seeing your demos and answers, the truth is that in the World of MAC these types of cases are also happening. I also have an I9 9900 yes letter and exactly the same thing happens to me, the CPU oscillates a lot, well or rather the performance meter of Kontakt and the Cubase 11 AI Le, I wanted to upgrade to the Cubase 13 pro, but one of them gets lost I wonder if this is going to lead to more problems. I also have an I5 4600, it is many years old and do you know something? It can handle everything, with its 4 cores it is impressive, but it is already many years old and one day it will break down and they no longer exist. spare parts for itā¦ anyway, Iāll still take the AMd, the Thradripper 7970x, which is now one of the best there is and, if the Cubase gives me problems with the number of threads, then we will use its tool or the configuration of the midi port in Studio or whatever is needed, but let it be known that I am not clear about it, I know that in the not too distant future, the full potential of this type of processors will be exploited, by Steinberg, Presonus, cakewalk, etc., but not for now. A shame . Friends, if there is anything I can do for you, do not hesitate to contact me. I thank you very much for your interest and responses, from the bottom of my heart. Greetings from Vizcaya-Spain.
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I didnāt run the test. Someone else did.
Also, a new test is out: Threadripper 7000 Series Blog | SCAN UK
Hello, regarding the problems I have with low latency performance, at the moment and changing the audio driver, following the instructions of Joaquin Garcia, it seems that I have obtained a very substantial improvement in performance, also someone from an Asus forum told me how to activate in the ambiguity of the BIOS of my motherboard an optimized curve for All cores, something that not even the Asus technicians could tell me. I have to show you my most sincere gratitude for your advice that has been very useful to me to be able to tune my machine that now works very well, as I have already said, in large part due to your advice and experience with Cubase 12 and 13. Many thanks to all of you who have followed my problem.
PS. However, I have to say that due to the design of Cubase and Kontakt, they finally admitted to me that Kontakt can only handle 16 cores at the moment. That said, I will never be able to take full advantage of this processor, or all the hardware, no matter how good it is, such as 6000 memory, Nvme SSDs, etc., as long as Steinberg and practically everyone else does not update their software. By the way, my processor is the latest generation Zen 4.
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Personally, with 32 cores, virtualization is really the way to go. As a dedicated machine for music production, I would partition it into 2, or more likely 3 (one 16 core, 2 @ 8 cores) virtual machines to maximize the usage of the hardware. When it comes to real-time audio processing, performance gains drop off sharply past 8-10 cores. Of course setting all that up, maintaining it, and just living with the added complexity as a daily driver isnāt for everyone, except loons like myself.
First of all, thank you again for your perspective, because in your case it is what it is, it is not a technical solution, but it is something to take into account. I donāt think that having a machine configured like that is for LUNATICES, you have classified yourself, I understand perfectly, because I feel terribly dissatisfied, for not being able to take advantage of my 24 physical CORES and 48 pseudo-virtual ones, I say pseudo, because there are another 24 physical threads, so if you are a Lunatic, I must be someone else, because I do not feel comfortable with a relatively very powerful and expensive machine, to which I cannot ask for all its potential because of Third Parties, in this case Steinberg and Native Instruments, although the issue is extensible to the rest of the software brands that classify the same as multicore, of course then you investigate and with this type of processors, they use a certain number, but not all of them, and this is also applicable and as far as I know at the moment also to Mac OS. It is disappointing for people who seek to capture dreams, whispers of the muses and voices of the cosmos that lives around us and within us. No, you are not a lunatic, you simply tune into other frequencies that others may not be able toā¦ or maybe they can. A big helloā¦ to you and to everyone.
@Ignacio_Momoitio_Mar if you want to take full advantage of all your computers CPU then just install Audio gridder plugin and server on the same machine and load heavy VSTiās and plugins via the Audio gridder plugin inside cubase. This will open the plugin outside Cubase and will let you make the most of ALL computer CPU.
Just make sure to set Audio gridder so it doesnāt open 2x GUIās on your machine, I think thereās a setting for local mode so it doesnāt do this.
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As someone who does virtualization very, very heavily elsewhere, nah, this is pretty loony to attempt for an audio workstation, IMHO. There are all sorts of performance losses youāll encounter when virtualization various hardware, not to mention compatibility problems. Iād strictly avoid this avenue if I were you.
Hello Norbury_Brook, I see the use of AudiGridder as a possible alternative to be able to use more power of the cores than the system allows, so the real problem remains, which lies in the fact that both Steinberg and Native Instruments and others such as Orchestral Tools, have to make changes in their source codes of their respective software. I also have to say that two (2) computers are needed to be able to use AudioGridder consistently, I have them, but I really donāt know if itās worth it, having to connect to a server per instance to use, as it says in the attached image, (sorry itās in Spanish) I donāt know to what extent that is āCPU Liberatorā. Nevertheless I take your advice and proposal into high consideration, I didnāt know this Programā¦ I appreciate itā¦ Iāll have to try it. Kind regards.
And that is why Reaper is the lightest with CPUsā¦and the one that fails the most with KONTAKT, especially with the latest version. Greetings, my friend.
Hello DrWashington, I already told my colleague Semarus that it seemed like a great idea, but I think the same as you in this case the fact itself would create a greater CPU consumption, because the CPU would have to be more āattentive to the virtual machines because there are severalā, in addition to the fact that a Virtual machine always consumes more CPU because it is a virtualization of something that should be part of a system that is already integrated and it is not, it is still a limitation in this case in addition to the division of the CPU, I have not tried it because now the Computer is working fine for me even though I feel frustrated for not being able to use the full potential of the computer in questionā¦ I also have to say that I feel cheated, because the gentlemen who manufacture this type of Software should warn of its limitations, especially when these high-performance processors do not come from Mars, they are made here, on our planet and their use is booming, not decreasingā¦ anyway, it is the history of humanity and I refer to it to affirm this. Greetings to everyoneā¦and thank you very much.
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You can use Audio gridder on the same machine, thatās what I was suggesting not 2 machines. Using on one machine is simple, just make sure you use the setting to NOT open 2x plugin GUI, use āLocal modeā
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Hi Steako. Thatās the first thing I tried and I have to say that when I increased the number of threads, I did get clicks, drops, clicks and everything but a good sound. As you can see in the rest of the answers to other Cubase and music colleagues like you, you all try to give me a solution, for which I will always be extremely grateful. Right now my computer is working fine, although it is frustrating not to be able to use all its potential, but well, I will have to conform or change in the Orchestral theme to the OPUS Edition player with its brand new orchestra DIAMONT that, from what I have been able to see, does take advantage of the Multiprocess much better than the rest of the sampler players like Sineplay or UVI, which, mind you, they also take advantage of it quite well. In any case, in this way I have seen what Cubase, Kontakt, SinePlayer are really like, in short, they are all far from being able to take full advantage of the potential when required, obviously. Thank you for your help to you and everyone. Greetings from Spain (Basque Country).