Annoying Cubase bug with CC lanes

I’m not sure if this bug is also on macOS Cubase. I think I first noticed it when I started using it on Windows 11 in January, so it’s present in both 14 and 15, possibly 13 and earlier.

Say you open the key editor and you want to see the MIDI CC lanes that have any data. I can’t remember where is this command in menus, because I set it to F12 and forgot about it. So I just press F12. The command is called “MIDI show used controllers”. That makes all the CC controllers with any data show at the bottom like this:

If you see the scroll bars on the right, they are grayed out. If you hover the mouse pointer over either CC1 or CC11, and move the wheel, they won’t scroll up or down.

Now, you click and drag the GUI element on the center of each dividing line to make them taller (by the way, if anyone knows of a way to make all of them taller without saving a preset please let me know. Like something with the mouse wheel while pressing a modifier key kind of thing.):

As you can see, the scroll bars on the right are still grayed out and the mouse wheel won’t do anything.

Now, let’s save that as a preset:

Finally, let’s close the window, or not but load another preset, or move the height again, then let’s load the preset we just created:

As you can see, the scroll bars are now enabled, for no good reason, and if we hover inside each lane, it scrolls up and down just a little bit. That’s not the annoying thing, but rather this:

I did a screen recording with the Windows native thing, which is only 2 MB and it uploaded here, although it only shows the frame and a camera icon. If it works, you’ll be able to see it.

So, I do a lot of work with the key editor, and I switch between different heights all the time, because sometimes I need to work on the notes, so I need the short lanes, and when I need to work on CC1 and CC11, I need those two rather tall. And I edit a lot of automation manually, so this GUI bug really gets on my nerves. Kinda like the automation looks really nervous when this happens, shaking uncontrollably.

I hope it’s not the usual “It’s only happening to you and nobody else”. If this happened in at least Cubase Pro 14 and 15, it stands to reason that it’s a bug.

Hi,

Can you experience this in any project? If yes, do you create all projects from a template?

Yeah I have the same on both PC and Mac since C14. The CC lane window is not fully open vertically. It’s 98 or 99% fully open (thus the scroll bar on the right side).

It’s ultra annoying, especially while editing on/off parameters because you can only see either top or the bottom and the window is jumping up and down. Never full view. It’s driving me crazy.

It was already reported, somewhere in the past.

Hi Martin, this happens in all projects, whether it’s projects created from my template (which so far I’ve only used once, I used to start all projects as new), brand new without the template, old ones, all of them.

Totally. It used to be kind of annoying when it was new, now it’s extremely so, because it’s one of those annoying things that keep on happening and it’s not a bug that may happen sometimes. It’s there, all the time.

By the way, other than presets, is there a way to simply press a modifier key and the mouse wheel to enlarge all of them, in the same way you zoom the notes vertically, or the tracks vertically in the project window? That would be much better than presets.

Hi,

This bug is strange. The vertical scrollbar should never be active in the Controller Lanes. :thinking:

Well, it’s been there since I built this PC in January. I didn’t report it earlier this year because I wasn’t using Cubase much. Now I am.

I just checked in C15 on PC and there’s an improvement:

Now, when i put two nodes at 0 and 127 values I can see both. In C14 I could see either one or another at the same time. It’s still not perfect because dragging node to eg. the top and then bottom causes this shaky effect but at least I can see full range.

Ps. I’m not aware of any less known or hidden ways to enlarge those windows.