And I read all that in my head, with the voice of Gandalf!!
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For me there is the matter of time it takes to learn a new DAW.
I am too busy to have the needed time to jump to S1.
I was horrified by some bugs I had years ago and generally frustrated with the same old bugs by Cubase.
I got the trial version of S1 and it was so alien to me that I simply turned it off and carried on with Cubase, I wish I had the time to invest in a new DAW, but it’s just not doable.
Plus, since Cubase 10 and upwards, the tools for film scoring are just inseparable to me for my workflow and exporting functions.
So far, I’m still with 11 and everything (fingers crossed) seems to be going OK, fast workflow and ease of work.
As a fellow user said, think about what you hope to get from the program.
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“May the hair on your toes never fall out!” - Thorin to Bilbo, if I recall!
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I’ve been playing around with Bitwig Studio in my space time, and I am quite liking it for production (less so for Recording things like Vocals, etc.). It’s like Ableton Live and ACID Pro had a baby with just the right genetic mutations.
I ended up deleting my PreSonus Account with Studio One Pro 6 on it. I just stopped using it and didn’t see the point in even caring about it.
On my PC I only keep Cubase Pro and Bitwig Studio Installed. Same on macOS, but I keep Logic Pro for the same reason as others. “Why not?” If I moved fully to macOS, I’d probably switch to Logic as a Studio DAW, but for now I like the platform mobility, as I find macOS frustrating to use with its bad window management, etc. I don’t do important work in it for that reason.
Resolve Fairlight (I use Resolve Studio) is nice for Film/Video work, but I’m not sure I’d want to round trip between it and Cubase/Nuendo for music. For Video work, I’d do everything in Fairlight. It has some of the features of Nuendo without having to go from Cubase → Nuendo and increasing LTCO at that end (e.g. ADR Workflows, etc.).
There was a time when Resolve Studio didn’t even support ASIO, so I used to go between Resolve Studio and Samplitude Pro X for audio. That was also a few versions ago, and Fairlight is significantly better now than it was back then. That necessity has vanished.
Ironically, Resolve Studio has some of the best Voice Isolation and Noise Reduction plug-ins I’ve ever used…
You can master tracks/albums and do RedBook/DDP stuff with any copy of Sound Forge Pro released in the past decade or more (since v9 or 10). You don’t need to spend tons of money on WaveLab Pro for that. Could have gotten that for almost nothing off Humble Bundle. It’s Windows-only, though.
Both Cubase and S1 were created by the same designer; going back and forth between them seems comfortable and intuitive to me.
How can this be? The timeline of the creation of the two kind of software was completely different.
Studio One originally began development under the name K2 , as a follow-up to the KRISTAL Audio Engine.[1] Although development for this follow-up began in 2004,[2] it transitioned in 2006 to a cooperation between PreSonus and KristalLabs Software Ltd., a start-up founded by former Steinberg employees Wolfgang Kundrus and Matthias Juwan.[3] Kundrus was one of the developers for initial versions of Cubase, and established concepts for the first version of Nuendo.[4] Juwan was the author of the original KRISTAL Audio Engine, wrote the specification for version 3 of the VST plug-in standard, and had also worked on multiple Steinberg products, including Cubase, Nuendo, and HALion.[5]
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Thanks. I had no knowledge about any of this.
However, it doesn’t change the fact that S1 was totally alien to me.
Hmmmm, I might have to give it another go…
I’m user of studio one and logic. Previously got short experience for cubase 13 and refund due to the latency issue. Now thanks Steinberg they optimized it in cubase 14. So now I am in parallel using studio one, logic and cubase, and already plan to fully switch to cubase (Create expression map/template/preset etc.)
However, I still think studio one is the next generation of the daw. I don’t know if it’s true that’s said the principle software engineer of studio one is previously from Steinberg who lead the cubase develop project. If it’s true, I believe that no one than him know how to entirely optimize the entire work flow from scratch when plan to create a new tiny DAW.
The amount of built-in FX/Virtual instrument in studio one is less than logic or cubase and the installation package is only around 200M. The presonus may by default think all musicians will install a lot of 3rd party plugins. So what they need to do is make the DAW itself more easy to use and more stable.
Back to cubase, I would think the cubase is a complete bundle. With cubase built-in plugins, virtual instruments I am able to made music with essential sound quality (at least fulfill my feel). Besides, ability such as vocal pitch correction feature is natively included, not like studio one which is cooperated with Melodyne.
I have to say until today the workflow in cubase is still not very smooth like studio one. Mostly because:
- I cannot entirely move a full section include all track content. Only way is to put all tracks into a folder.
- I cannot assign a bus to a folder. This function was included in logic and recently studio one.
- No folder in mix console.
- Scale 125% in windows always lead poor GUI performance.
- No flexible vertical zoom in/out like studio one or logic.
- Etc…
In cubase, I may click more times for one feature than in studio one. However, it depends on what we need.
Sometimes I write a song for a band, with simply compose I may use studio one or logic. However for some larger composing project I may fully use cubase.
Here are two main reasons that I move from studio one back to cubase:
- Hard to exit the software in China. This is due to Chinese great firewall issue. I guess after I click “exit” the software, studio one may have some communication to the cloud which is blocked by China internet firewall. I opened case to them several times, they always replied with investigating…
- The console page doesn’t have built-in channel trip. I know we could save some preset on studio one mixer. However sometimes I need to quickly do some HC or LC to create a sound. With the built-in channel trip will save more time.
- GUI of cubase 14 pro become modern and looks good than studio one or logic (for me)
Sounds like this could be achievable with the Range Tool. Have you tried it?
I used Studio one for over a decade and was fully on board with the work flow and ease of use (for me). The main draw for me wass being able to mix a track and then go to the project page and master the track seamlessly. However, I started to see cracks with the whole subscription model (nothing wrong with it but just not by bag). Then they started adding in gimmicks and AI which to me takes away from the creative process. Why bother to make music if you are getting the software to do it for you? Again, this is just my perspective and there is a whole generation of music makers out there enjoying Studio One but for me I stepped away last year at V7. I switched to Cubase 14 as that is where I started back in the day with an Atari 520ST and the original cubase. V14 has stabilised on mac silicone to the point where the processor and memory are barely impacted on an M2 mac mini with 16GB ram.
I feel like I’ve come home and am likely to stay put with Cubase. In any case, I’ll keep my V6 of Studio one for the mastering workflow and the project page.
I’ve also always preferred the Cubase GUI (yes I know that’s not a good reason to choose a DAW)
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