I’m New To This Forum And This Is My Very First Post… Anyway,
As Of Now, I’m a Studio One User Of Who Is Thinking Of Making The Switch To Cubase Who Is Looking For Former Studio One Users On Some Of The Reasons Why You Made The Switch To Cubase From S1…This Would Go a Long Way Of Me Determining If It Would Wise To Make The Switch Which I’m Hopeful You Can Be Persuasive…Oh By The Way,Im a Metal Guy…Metal, Rob
I switched from Studio One (been a user since version 1.5). Missing Program Changes in the exported MIDI files was the main reason. When I asked Presonus (Studio One was version 6) if they were ever going to implement this feature or if I should switch to another software, they advised me the latter. That was the second main reason. I have no regrets at all.
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Any Other Former S1 Users…Bump
I still use studio one and play with nuendo till I get every of my work flow working properly.
Reasons I got nuendo/cubase
- More dsp effect
- more midi tools
- integrated Dolby Atmos the alternative by fielder was not amazing to use with s1.
- better post/pre fader
- control room
- better chord pad
- much more customizable
- many more.
Reasons I have not left studio one fully
- better multi timbre midi routing, meaning get kontakt/opus/uvi each midi channel can the linked/routed to the output channel of the multi output sampler
- the ui is just simple and flat
- the blue/green lighting functionality is better recording your selected midi at low latency and others at the maximum your sound card can offers.
- audio engine performance
Cubase/ nuendo have much more to offer. I see no reason to really buy effect plugin as it has everything built-in like melodyne → vari audio and others. The Stock plugins have very low latency.
Only thing I really need from Steinberg is to have midi track to connect with a output channel fader of kontakt/uvi/opus/others. Currently I have to hide the midi fader that’s set to 0 db by default also I have a iostation that I use to control my channel pan/volume using this on a midi track slides the midi channel that’s hidden not the output channel of the multi output sampler.
And a better ui.
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Look, there are a lot of people who use several DAWs, including Studio One and Cubase/Nuendo together for various reasons. If you are an “exclusive” single-DAW kind of person, and you only want ONE DAW for whatever reason, then I get it, but a DAW relationship does NOT need to be monogamous.
There are plenty of great features in Studio One, and of course there are plenty of great features in Cubase. Sometimes they leapfrog each other, sometimes they diverge in philosophy. Frankly, I’d suggest serious audio professionals to stay up to date with TWO (or more) DAWs these days TBH! With market and economic pressures, acquisitions going on, OS issues, plugin issues, platform changes, etc., etc., I think it’s useful and practical to have at least a primary DAW and a secondary DAW so you’re not left hanging in case of problems, and you can continue working.
Also, and more importantly in my case, for my pro audio work and also on a personal level, I enjoy collaborating with different musicians and some of them use different DAWs… in fact my son prefers Studio One, for example, so if I want to have some fun father-son music collaborations with him, I stay up to date with Studio One JUST for that reason alone! But it goes beyond that of course, as I work with musicians in many genres and backgrounds, and it’s useful (and sometimes essential) to have different DAWs to collaborate with them. So in my case I have several DAWs.
Also, I take inspiration from different DAWs, as each one makes me think a little differently, keeps me on my toes and helps me be more creative, and I always have at least one backup DAW in case one is misbehaving or going through a rough time for some reason (there are plenty of examples of that on the market, ).
So in terms of Studio One and Cubase, they are both excellent DAWs. The two development teams are neighbors in Hamburg and some of the individual team members are probably friends with each other, and both teams know what they are doing. They are two of the best DAW dev teams on the planet, but they have enough different thinking that I find both DAWs very useful to have around, even if I didn’t have the reasons listed above.
So my suggestion would be to consider a multi-DAW approach and use each DAW for their strengths, and begin expanding your field of collaborators. I even keep Reaper around for its perfectly-designed ripple editing feature, since Cubase STILL does not have ripple editing (as of v12), and Studio One’s ripple editing is “okay” but not as seamlessly executed as Reaper’s ripple editing. So I might start a dialog-heavy project in Reaper, for example, then move over to Cubase for creative mixing.
Take your time exploring what each DAW does, enjoy the amazing features, keep an open mind, and don’t worry about having to be exclusively locked into one DAW. And good luck.
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@uarte I fully agree with you. For me I don’t want anything to block my creativity. Having one DAW to rule them all in a workflow is something I think everyone is looking for. To be easy, simple, customizable, flexible and appealing. I have a huge understanding on daws as I started without cool edit(audition I know am old) to Sony acid pro to reason to fl studio to reaper to studio one to cubase then upgraded to nuendo. Each daw have their strength and weaknesses.
If studio one gives me surround sound engine am locked fully to it but if Steinberg improve midi track routing to multi output channel and a better ui(optional) then I die and ride with Steinberg.
Left for me I can get work done faster with s1 than nuendo and that’s because I feel everything is easy to find due to time spent on the daw.
Conclusion: I just want to stop the DAW hoping and Steinberg has what I want but lacks want I need.
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IMO there is no “one DAW to rule them all.” If someone does make it, please let me know, I’ll buy it right now, and I’ve bought most of the DAWs on the market, and haven’t yet found the perfect one. But actually, now that I think of it, if there ever was a “one DAW to rule them all” it would most likely be made by Sauron, Inc., and I’m not sure I’d want to buy it anyway. We might have to join together in a fellowship and take it to Mordor to get rid of it, and that’s a tough journey from what I’ve read. 
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Well Then,That’s More Than I Could Ever Ask For…Very Well Explanation Here…
Never Really Thought In Those Terms To Have 2 Or More DAW’s… TY Uarte…Very Well Written.
Rob
TY ehigiepaul…
Very Insightful Break Down Of The 2 DAW’s. May Use Both DAW"s
I think its better to know one daw 110%.
I used them all (except for reaper, DP and Cakewalk) for at least a year to know which one i wanted to learn 110%.
Conclusion: 70% overlapping features, and there really is one daw that rule them all and that is cubase.
I really can say steinberg is at least 3-5 years ahead of the competition. In these years they can focus on the features they are not superior in. And they are doing that (look at CB13 leaks).
Okay:
Better looks: logic
Better audio editing: pro tools
Better workflow: studio one
Better live performance: ableton
Etc.
But cubase is better and more complete in so many other ways. If studio one will have the same possibilities, their workflow - as it is now - is going to have some dev braincrackers as well.
I can use multiple daws to use their superior features alone, and go export stems. I just don’t think thats convenient.
The only daw atm which is really different and unique is Bitwig. I understand using this one next to cubase. Its sounddesign capabilities are great.
Also: consider the owners & stakeholders interests.
Logic: selling more macs
Pro tools: maintain industry standard, owners are in for the money.
Studio one: fender, music company (perfect)
Cubase: yamaha, music company (perfect)
Its a matter of preference, but if you want the biggest toolbox (whos not that pretty & convenient sometimes), use cubase.
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Thank You…Conclusion "Cubase It Is… I Can’t See Any Other Convincing Tale Here
Your Explanation Is Very Telling and Well Written .
Thx So Much For Taking Your Valuable Time/Replying And Chiming In rvheesw
Rob
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70% overlapping for YOUR needs, but your needs may not be someone else’s needs.
I disagree with your conclusion, and I realize it’s just an opinion though, and like all opinions, they are just opinions, mine included.
And if Cubase is the DAW to rule them all, what does that make Nuendo, since it has all Cubase features?
Someone who needs serious surround features, for example, can’t use most DAWs, therefore most are disqualified, including Cubase (which only supports up to 5.1), in which case you might suggest that Nuendo is the DAW to rule them all.
Someone who needs to use Linux for some reason would disqualify most “popular” commercial DAWs except Reaper, Bitwig, Waveform, Mixbus32C, etc… they’d be limited to a decent but small group, and Cubase isn’t on that list.
Someone who needs to collaborate with clients and studios in the US might need a bunch of DAWs, but most likely Pro Tools in the US, but then again Cubase in Europe, and then again if you are in a particular genre, then perhaps Ableton if doing electronica, and Reaper if doing professional podcasting, and so forth… that 70% overlapping feature set doesn’t mean much if none of your clients and collaborators are using your favorite DAW.
Someone who needs to do serious post work will absolutely limit themselves to a handful of DAWs, including Nuendo, Pro Tools, etc… Some people do light post work in Cubase, but it certainly isn’t the DAW to rule post.
Someone who needs to build a huge modular sound design environment will definitely be using Bitwig, there’s nothing quite like it for that. No chance there’s 70% overlap of features there.
The list goes on.
Anyway, not trying to be a jerk about this, but when someone tells you what DAW is the BEST, just remember that they are most likely telling you which DAW is BEST for THEM.
And that’s totally fine, of course, no offense intended toward anyone. And yes, Cubase is the BEST for many people. But there is no DAW that is perfect, and there is no DAW that rules them all, and the idea that the features overlap 70% is highly subjective from one point of view.
The BEST DAW is the one that is best for YOU. And to expand that, the BEST DAW is the one you actually USE. 
And of course, I do agree that you should learn the DAW you are using to get the most out of it. My view/opinion is that there’s no need to stick with just one DAW. If you want to stick with just one, go for it. But there are plenty of good reasons to use more than one. Everyone has their own needs of course. My statements are opinions, nothing more. Cheers and good luck!
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I understand what you are saying, and i agree with the linux point. And nuendo is superior to cubase as well.
There are simply so many things that cant be done in other daws than cubase (out of the box). And its very customisable too, ditch everything in the UI you dont need.
I was wrong to state that cubase rules them all, ofcourse this is an opinion.
Rob, if you want to know if you made (or will make) a good choice switching to cubase from studio one.
Great choice for your situation Rob, you cant go wrong with cubase! Hopefully variaudio can make something out of those scream growls, and quantize audio will keep up with the drummers double stroke roll😉. If you want to live loop metal samples, go bitwig.
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Thank You For Helping To Make a Choice… Choice = Cubase
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Hey Gents…
Is It True That Steinberg Cubase 12 Pro Doesn’t Support vst2 plug-ins ?
Edit: I’m On Windows 11
Thx, Rob
No, of course that’s not true.
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Alrighty Then… Thx Man
Conflicting Reports.
As a Current Studio One 6 User…Over 60% Of My Plugins Are VST2.
The Other 40% Are VST3 Format…
What To Do?
Ask over on Presonus forums about S1 future strategy.
Update plugins as much as you can to VST3 editions (nearly all 3rd party’s have them nowadays - unless they are discontinued)
Keep a working install of C12 available (if C13 stops VST2 support completely and you plan to upgrade; note, installing C13 will leave an existing C12 app on the same machine, perfectly intact.!)
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It’s not conflicting reports. Cubase 14 will likely not have VST2 support.
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