I’m attempting to finish up a brass quintet project. The full score shows the arranger’s name (that would be me), but I disappear in the individual parts. My name is entered in the Page Info dialog.
Please tell me what I’m doing wrong and how to fix it.
Thanks.
Will Corbin
Parts use a different Page Template set from the Score. You would need to include the arranger token in your Parts First Page template.
Thanks. I think I’m understanding that the token for “arranger” has to be planted in the default part page. Can you direct me toward instructions for accomplishing that? The “Firsts Steps” tutorial kind of wanders around it.
The First Page Template in the Default Part Page Template Set.
Here are some links to show you how:
Thanks for the response. I’m guessing that you might be on the Dorico team. You should know that, like too much of Dorico’s help files, these were distinctly unhelpful. And the section of “First Steps” that deals vaguely with this subject is equally useless.
And I’m given to wonder why I should even be having to ask this question and go through such pain and frustration for an answer. The issue: In what possible set of circumstances would a composer/arranger NOT want credits and dedications and other related stuff to show up on the individual parts that spring from a score? For whom is Dorico’s software designed?
Will
For me.
Jesper
@DanielMuzMurray is not on the Dorico team; he’s just a very engaged and helpful user. You can identify the Steinberg employees by the little Steinberg icon in their avatars.
There are plenty of possibilities, and many different kinds of credits and wording that may or may not be wanted on a given score and/or part. Dorico can’t automatically support all of them out of the box, so a little work from the user is needed. But once you get things set up the way you want them, you can export and re-use your templates.
So your question is about getting the arranger’s name to display on the score and parts. The basic answer is that you need to add a token for the arranger’s name in a text frame (either an existing one or a new one) in both the First template in the Default Score set and the First template in the Default Part set.
I understand that some or all of that may not make sense to you. Is there a more specific question about this that you’d like to have answered?
Here’s a quick walkthrough of one way of doing things.
First I created a new project, and I filled in the Composer and Arranger fields in Project Info.
If I look at the score in Engrave mode, I see the composer’s name, but not the arranger’s.
On the right, under Page Templates, I double-click the First template so I can edit it. I can see that it has a token for the composer’s name on the right, and also a token for the lyricist’s name on the left. I’m going to replace the lyricist’s name with the arranger’s name.
It got cut off in my screen capture, but when I right-click in the text frame, I get a menu with all of the available tokens, and under Project Info, I chose Arranger.
Notice that I clicked the L->R button, to make sure that changes on the left-hand template get propagated to the right-hand template, then Apply and Close.
That was just for the score. To do the same thing to the parts, I switch to a part in Engrave mode. Under Page Templates, on the right, it now says Default Part instead of Default Full Score. Then I carry out the same operation as above: double-click to open the template, replace the Lyricist token with the Arranger token, Apply, and Close. Now my Trumpet part looks like this:
Because I made the changes to the page template, instead of directly to the part, that field will now show up on the first pages of all of the parts in the project. (Unless I’ve already made other edits to the parts that result in a red triangle showing up in the Pages area – that indicates an override, and we can deal with that separately, if you’re in that situation.)
Sorry to hear that you’re not finding the manual as helpful as we’d hope.
The First Steps guide has to tread a tricky line between introducing a new user to a broad range of functionality, whilst not overloading them whilst it’s all new. That’s why it doesn’t get into too much detail about page template editing: the concept is introduced, there’s some minor editing to demonstrate how a change to the page template carries through to the layout, but you’re right, that’s about it. We’ve had feedback that others have found First Steps too long and complex, so on balance I don’t think that any further explanations belong there.
The Operation Manual meanwhile is intended to be comprehensive but segmented, so you should be able to dip in, find out what you need to know, then leave.
Am I about right in understanding that for you, the manual didn’t clarify enough that editing a page template for the score doesn’t do the same for the parts? If so, is there an existing page or approximate area where you would expect to find such a clarification?
It’s the second time today this has happened!
Let us (users!) know if we can help further.
Aaron:
Thanks for the helpful walkthrough. I’m sure I could pull it off – but it doesn’t do what I’m looking for. My score has composer and arranger stacked on the right side, and none of the help I’ve seen seems to suggest a way to alter the part template to duplicate that appearance.
May I ask one additional favor? I’m sending the file with this message (if your system will allow that). If you could take a look and perhaps record the process by which you’d make the repair, I’d appreciate it. No need to return the file; I’d rather walk myself through the fix.
And, not to be argumentative, I would challenge you to find me a published piece of multi-instrument music that doesn’t show composer and arranger and a whole lot of other metadata on every part.
Will
When I Fall In Love.dorico (1.11 MB)
Hi @willforrestercorbin, here my attempt to explain the workflow in a video.
I show in the video the process to edit the First page template for the Score. You need to repeat the process for the Firs page template for the parts (you only need to edit only the Parts page template, and it will apply automatically to all parts, because they use the same template). To make this, after you are finished with the editing of the full score template, visualise a part (form the layout drop down list menu on the upper part of the Dorico window):
you will see that your page Templatesset says now Current set: Default Part. And this set contains the First page template and the Default page template. Edit the First page template with the same procedure :
Finally, if you want your title font bigger again (we deleted the page overrides, and also this change that you did directly into the layout was so lost), you can go in menu Library > Paragraph Styles and select the Title paragraph style on the list on the left, then set its font size to 36, and this will be the size that you will see on all titles (in score and parts 
)
Here’s another example (not a video) in case having two explanations is better than one. I have written an explanation on the Page Templates themselves (accessed through Engrave mode).
arrangerExample250219.dorico (531.5 KB)
A token is just text that gets replaced with a value, and you can put text anywhere you want. Edit the First page template, put the cursor after the composer token, hit Return, and enter the arranger token.
I see that @Christian_R and @Derrek beat me to the video!
For starters, most classical music only has a composer. Other genres have different kinds of metadata, and different publishers like them in different places. Dorico gives you plenty of fields in Project Info to use to hold the metadata; my point is that they can’t supply a factory template that meets everybody’s needs out of the box – but you only have to make a template that meets your needs once, and then you can reuse it in other projects.
Christian:
This is great – and from a volunteer! Hope Steinberg adds this to their teaching library. I followed your steps, and the results are perfect. You made it as easy as it could have been.
I’m figuring out quickly that very little in Dorico is intuitive (or at least not until I’m better at its language and architecture). And I’ve been disappointed enough in their tutorial material that I was about to throw in the towel and flee toward either using Finale until it drops dead or using something less complicated (like MuseScore). But you’ve restored my faith, at least for now.
Vielen Dank.
Will
Derrek:
Got what I needed from Christian’s video, but I do appreciate the effort.
Danke sehr.
Will
If you’re familiar with Finale, then Dorico’s tokens are not much different from Finale’s text “Inserts” that you populate in the Score Manager and insert into text frames.
… There’s just many more of them!
“Out of the box”, Dorico doesn’t add the Arranger to the Score Layout, so if it does that in your score – you must have worked out how to do it!
I flailed until it surrendered – and I’ve since learned that I managed to do it in override mode, which, with the excellent help of a Forum correspondent, I’ve managed to repair properly.
Will
