Art Conductor expression maps usable in Dorico?

I use Art Conductor for Logic by the Babylonwaves company. This company has created a large library of Articulation Maps for the most used instrument libraries. They also made created expression maps for all the libraries that can be used in Cubase. Is it possible to use these expression maps in Dorico? That would save a lot of work.

This is their website:
https://www.babylonwaves.com/expression-maps/

these are the libraries they created Cubase expression maps for:
https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/#popup-article

Why not just load them and find out?

I didn’t buy the cubase version, only for Logic. And those don’t work in Dorico.

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Understood. Too bad the expression maps are not included in the purchase of the sounds.

Hey guys, news for this topic. There is a massive expression maps with 5402 Professional presets for 1037 Sample Libraries right now in Art Conductor for Dorico. I think it’s a game change, isn’t? Can anyone tell something about this? @MarcLarcher

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Thank you for this information :slight_smile: Dan. I see there is a demo on the Dorico page so that could be a starting point. The price is might be very reasonable (see below) given the amount of time it takes just to set up one library, however I am too busy at the moment to have a good look at it.

Hopefully others here will be able to comment and upload some comparisons.

Their support page choose Pricing and license on the left

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Hello,

I was involved in this release as a consultant, helping to provide feedback on the design and doing testing for versions in-progress and the final version.

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Wow, are you pleased with what it can do then?

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Yes, certainly. There’s a very slick way of installing a map along with the playing and playback techniques all in one shot with just a drag and a couple clicks, and then it’s very easy to use those custom techniques in the music.

I would definitely recommend it if you are wanting to use libraries in Dorico that don’t already have good expression maps available. For VSL libraries, the official maps are already pretty great, but for most other things it will be worth it to have this (or for some VSL libraries that VSL does not make maps for).

This solves a major problems for me, which is that often I might need to buy a new off-the-beaten-path library for a specific project at the last minute when I find nothing else I have is working that well, and now I have a way of plugging that in easily without having to spend a lot of time making my own map.

Keep in mind also that this doesn’t include percussion maps (for unpitched percussion) or playback templates - only expression maps along with some custom playback techniques and playing techniques, which allow you to trigger techniques that are not built-in to Dorico in the default Playing Techniques set.

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Thank you, very helpful information! Glad you were involved in it, you have such a lot of knowledge here helping us all!

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Oh.. thanks @mducharme you are the man, rsrrss. I think this video can demonstrate what a simple way is to manager this expression maps and get the playback inside the Dorico. I don’t know if I understand right, but I think the playback is secondary in some cases, isn’t? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CtJtaTuo0

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Yeah that video gives you a pretty good overview of how it works. You manually load the instrument and load the map. If you want to make a playback template yourself that auto loads it, it isn’t that hard to do.

Don’t expect this to be like a NotePerformer NPPE replacement. Dorico Expression maps have some basic limitations that can’t be overcome by this product. As result, you’re still going to have to add some hidden playing techniques to get the best most musical results, along with some additional manual shaping in the CC lanes, and possibly some mixing adjustments to correct for balance differences between libraries. But it is all set up to make that process of adding those hidden playing techniques easy.

It is designed to use built-in techniques wherever possible and only defines custom techniques where those built-ins do not exist.

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Babylon Support

I see on their Support page, click on Support hub on the left, then you see this—information on Getting started, videos, downloads, instructions, troubleshooting, PDF manual links at the bottom etc. Very helpful.

The PDFs have a lot of information in them I see [recommended]

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Yes. And we have a Dorico option on the left with a list of tutorials in video format.

This is really unbelievable. This will probably solve 99% of all my issues with expression maps in Dorico. The easiest buy since the Stream Deck Notation Central package. I’m floored.

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