Bass drum sounding like guitar, Snare drum sounding like agogo

[am74]

I just opened Dorico5 for my daily 5-minutes-with-Dorico-then-drop-it because it has many bugs.
Today wanted to test some music I imported some days ago.
I imported some music from MusescoreStudio4 into Dorico5 via MusicXML.
I had to edit the xml internally by means of opening it as zip file and editing the xml file inside, putting the ensemble tag for string sections, as it imported as soloists.
like this:

<score-part id="P13">
      <part-name>Violins 1</part-name>
      <part-abbreviation>Vlns. 1</part-abbreviation>
      <score-instrument id="P13-I1">
        <instrument-name>Violins (section)</instrument-name>
        <instrument-sound>strings.group</instrument-sound>

<ensemble/>

        </score-instrument>
      <midi-device id="P13-I1" port="1"></midi-device>
      <midi-instrument id="P13-I1">
        <midi-channel>1</midi-channel>
        <midi-program>49</midi-program>
        <volume>78.7402</volume>
        <pan>0</pan>
        </midi-instrument>
      </score-part>

So the sections now sound as sections and not soloists.
Then I had issue with transposing octaves for some instruments, so I had to adjust the notes dragging them below.
Very curiously, when I tried to drag some very low notes that were out of the staff, also being ended up into another staff below, the notes of the other staff were dragged too, although not being selected and sounding different (so Dorico knew theit belonged to two different instruments).
Then I have also Bassdrum and Snaredrum like this

<score-part id="P11">
      <part-name>Rullante</part-name>
      <part-abbreviation>SD</part-abbreviation>
      <score-instrument id="P11-I38">
        <instrument-name>Side Stick</instrument-name>
        </score-instrument>
      <score-instrument id="P11-I39">
        <instrument-name>Snare</instrument-name>
        </score-instrument>
      <midi-device port="2"></midi-device>
      <midi-instrument id="P11-I38">
        <midi-channel>10</midi-channel>
        <midi-program>49</midi-program>
        <midi-unpitched>38</midi-unpitched>
        <volume>78.7402</volume>
        <pan>0</pan>
        </midi-instrument>
      <midi-instrument id="P11-I39">
        <midi-channel>10</midi-channel>
        <midi-program>49</midi-program>
        <midi-unpitched>39</midi-unpitched>
        <volume>78.7402</volume>
        <pan>0</pan>
        </midi-instrument>
      </score-part>
    <score-part id="P12">
      <part-name>Grancassa</part-name>
      <part-abbreviation>BD</part-abbreviation>
      <score-instrument id="P12-I37">
        <instrument-name>Concert Bass Drum</instrument-name>
        </score-instrument>
      <midi-device port="1"></midi-device>
      <midi-instrument id="P12-I37">
        <midi-channel>10</midi-channel>
        <midi-program>49</midi-program>
        <midi-unpitched>37</midi-unpitched>
        <volume>78.7402</volume>
        <pan>0</pan>
        </midi-instrument>
      </score-part>

It sounded like in the file attached.
I fumbled to assign other instruments, and I succeded with Bass drum, but I cannot find Snare drum, I ended up using Side drum, I do not know if it is the right counterpart, but the sounds is now like a agogo, as it was before I have to say, so changing its instruments did not solve.

I imported the MusicXml with the 5.1.60 version, today I updated to 5.1.70 and it said the Dorico project was in 5.1.50 format so it is now updated.
I cannot reimport because I made some work.
Why is the Side drum like a guitar?

To sum up, I tried the Dorico project with this new version, I do not auditioned the part with the drums before, so I auditioned it only with Dorico 5.1.70.
I noticed that the Snare drum sounded like agogo and the Bass drum as guitar.
I painfully changed to other instruments (for example, non-tuned percussions disappeared on the Bass drum menu, when switching instruments, but reappeared as a new instrument) but now the Side drum sounds like a agogo.
[Sorry, edited many times to update the correct guitar/agogo correspondences]

[dspreadbury]

Can you please attach the project itself? It would almost certainly be sufficient for you to cut the project down to just a couple of bars, if you have worries about attaching the whole thing here.

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My guess is that the issues will arise from the way Dorico is choosing which instrument types to create based on the Italian names in the MusicXML file. Because MusicXML doesn’t have a direct way to define an instrument (just some information about an instrument, such as how its staves should be labeled, and what sound it should use, and almost all of this information is also optional rather than mandatory), applications have to employ heuristics to determine which instruments to create.

In theory Dorico should do this just as capably in Italian or German as it does in English, but in practice it doesn’t always work quite as well, and it can be advisable to use Change Instrument after importing your MusicXML file to be sure that each instrument really is what you expect it to be:

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[am74]

The problem is that even in a new project the side drum sounds like agogo. I kind of solved the other problems. So it is not about the import, although it is very strange that there is not a snare drum.
Thanks
Progetto senza titolo 2.dorico (676.8 KB)

[dspreadbury]

The issue is that the Yamaha XG percussion map, which is the one that gets loaded for the Side Drum instrument, doesn’t have an entry for the Side Drum, so Dorico ends up using the very first note in the percussion map, which happens to be a Claves sound.

Our Italian translator has used the name Tamburo militare for both a snare drum and a side drum, which is why you cannot find two entries in the list. If you have a suggestion for how we should best differentiate between these instruments in Italian, I would welcome it.

We will add an entry for the side drum instrument to the Yamaha XG percussion map in future. You can add it yourself if you wish, though you will (for now) need to switch Dorico into English to do so, so you can see both Side Drum and Snare Drum shown as separate instruments:

1. Choose Library > Percussion Maps.
2. Select Yamaha XG on the left-hand side.
3. Find the entry for MIDI note 38, D2, Acoustic Snare, and select it in the list.
4. Click Add Key Switch Alternative.
5. With the duplicate row selected, click the … button next to the Instrument read-out, and choose Side Drum from the list, then click OK.
6. Click Apply to confirm your change.
7. Click OK to close the dialog.

Now you can switch Dorico back to Italian.

[am74]

Thanks, I think the side drum is a band instrument, while the snare drum is different because it has a stand and it is used in orchestra, if I am not wrong.
In italian it is called “Rullante”, but I am using here a drumset terminology, maybe in orchestra it is called also “Tamburo”. I see that in my original Musescore project it is indeed called “Rullante”.
Back to the issue:
I opened the full project, and the Grancassa sounds like a guitar, if I try to change it, no way I can because the unpitched percussions are not available, although I opened the dialog of the Grancassa.
Said that, about the snare, after switching to english and after changing the instrument to snare drum, it still sounds like claves.
There is some deeper issue here.

[dspreadbury]

I don’t think there is a deeper issue, but without looking at your project, I’m unable to help you to diagnose it.

[am74]

OK,
thank you so much.