Beam preset

Sibelius own a great feature about beaming :
We can use a dialogue box to define the beaming to be used, starting with the time value and then the subdivisions. This setting can be requested for the general metre, but also by region for one or more subsequent bars.
Dorico doesn’t have such a dialogue box, and I understand (I think) that it’s what you enter in the popover that gives you this result.
Could you tell me, for example, how to make a 3/8 so that the quaver (beats) are beamed all three together, the semiquavers by six, and the demisemiquavers beamed by four ?
This would avoid to have to, each time, ask for Edit>Notation>beaming, very time consuming.
Thank you very much

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No, Janus : in your example, demisemiquavers are beaming all together. I want their beams are by four, without any else.

Meiner Meinung nach ist das der Grund, warum es das Forum gibt : Das Benutzerhandbuch ist total mies !
:smile:

Finde ich eigentlich nicht … und aber ja: das Forum ist sehr hilfreich und schnell.
Es war nur, weil ich in der popover Liste gesucht habe:

Ja.
Und Sie werden zugeben, mein Freund, dass eine schöne kleine Dialogbox, die Ligaturen (tut mir leid, ich kenne das deutsche Wort nicht) verwaltet, wie man sie in Sibelius oder Finale findet, in Dorico schmerzlich vermisst wird… :roll_eyes: :wink:

This is exactly where Dorico differs: it’s not a tool to display music graphically, it’s a software which receives musical input, then, based on Notation~, Engraving~ and Layout Options, displays the content.
This will need us to think about a more basic level, when having the display in mind. This can be quite annoying at the beginning, but in the end teaches us a better understanding in what we do, when putting music “to paper”.

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Hmmm. Sorry, I don’t understand very well the subtlety.
In the Library>Disposition options, I’ve managed to get my four demisemiquaver tied by fours, but the semiquaver remain in pairs and the eighth notes untied.
I’m looking for a way to not keep using the Edit>notation>beaming menu too often (even though I’ve programmed shortcuts for this, in fact), to avoid wrist cramps… :melting_face:

Beaming actions are also available on the right-click menu.

You can have this:

Or this:

But you can’t have both of them at the same time.

But breaking the secondary beams clearly shows the group of four, while the primary beam still shows the beat.
FWIW, most books suggest keeping the beat beamed together.

The Help pages are comprehensive in the capabilities.

Perhaps the consequences, or significance, of using square brackets in the popover could be highlighted, with regard to beaming; but it would be impossible to document the consequences of every option for every type of notation, without making the manual twice the size.

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Thank you, Ben.
I think too that in this precise case, I can’t avoid to manually break the beam of the demisemiquavers. Separate groups of four “triples” is the way chosen by Mozart, and, subsequently, by Bärenreiter for NMA.
Visually very relevant in my opinion (and to play too).

Shortcuts for those functions are very useful.

Obviously, if you wanted this style in a symphony, it would be a lot of work (though in Finale you had to manually break secondary beams…).

It might be possible to make a script to help: but the rhythms would need to be identical.

Already done, Ben, of course.
I have attibrued shortcuts for this on my numpad (in order not to become crazy). :wink:
Nevertheles, it’s a little time consuming to do.
I regret that Dorico has not a dialog box such as the one in Sibelius and which I evoked above. But Dorico is growing, isn’t it ? Perhaps we’ll have that in version 7 or 8 ? We will see…

This drives me mad too - Dorico insisting that we choose between one or another auto-beaming schemes that are specifically and equally what we, the composer and the publisher don’t want.

For the moment you just have to take a few moments to work out which of the options will need the least tweaking (or which tweak will annoy you the least).

The beam together command might be your friend here - I find it needs less thought than splitting the secondary beam.

If there’s bars and bars of the 32nds you can retrieve some of that lost time by getting one bar looking ‘right’, then paste it wherever and then use the Lock Duration feature to write in the correct notes afterwards.