Beat Calculator in Cubase 13

Personally I never went 13. There were three issues why: Graphic design, VSTi undo gone, Beat Calculator gone.
They worked on the graphical stuff and I took that off my personal list of reasons why not to update to 13.
VSTi undo - looks like this will not come back for a long time. Somebody has hinted at underlying technical issues and that usually means 10 years or more in the Steinberg cosmos.
Beat Calculator - if they want to send us back to the 80’s maybe the next step will be to remove audio tracks from the program and tell us to use tape machines instead.

It is the first time since the 90’s that I seriously started to look at the competition in case I feel the need to move away from Cubase.

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I feel you. Although I personally don’t feel they improved the GUI enough to my personal satisfaction. To me it’s an eyesore where everything is presented with the same intensity. Another dealbreaker is the introduction of static icons in the Mix Console that inhibits seeing I/O names et al if the channel width is small.

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Same, and was never compelled to join this forum and complain until now, even when things happened like having half my plug-ins declared useless via Apple Silicon support etc…

Completely disappointed in how flippant and dismissive Steinberg has been to loyal customers about this basic, simple item.

If ANYONE FROM STEINBERG is reading this and actually cares, I’ve used Beat Calculator thousands, possibly millions of times and NEVER ONCE TAPPED MY FREAKIN’ TEMPO WITH IT !

I work with a lot of sound textures, Midi and Audio, that are not necessarily clearly rhythmic or musical and used Beat Calculator to manually divide by different beats and get tempos to build rhythms and such with

Try tapping a tempo accurately to an ambient/industrial drone without trying multiple times until it feels “close enough”. Try using tempo detection’s complex and unnecessary tempo fluctuations in the tempo track with old midi gear without glitch.

What used to take seconds to achieve and keep the creative flow going is nothing but time wasting frustration with these “improvements”. All the fancy features mean nothing if you can’t even get a simple bpm set !

So, if this functionality does not return. Cubase died at version 12 for me personally.

And… know for a fact I’m not alone on this !

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What vast eternal long term steiny plan would reviving the Beat Calculator spoil?

I mean there must be one, there must have been a reason for removal in the first place,
If not then why do it?

Never seen an any official answer or explanation for it
All I`ve seen here is almost universal user dissapointment from the paying customers.

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It’s obvious some genius thought it would not be missed and is too stubborn to admit it was a mistake to remove.

TELL the customer what they want instead of LISTENING to them…it’s the modern way.

They might as well be a games company.

Just be patient everyone. It’ll be coming back as a new feature in Cubase 26!

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Great replies guys.
So nice to know that I’m not alone.

None of the guys saying tap tempo is a good replacement for beat calculator know what they’re talking about.

Steinberg, listen to the people who have been using this feature for years & stop trying to fix what aint broke.

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i also support this thread , need to calculate a beat tempo by selecting range like in the old “beat calculator” that was removed.
tap tempo is not a replacement , only should have been an nice feature addition, and keep the ability to calculate tempo from range selection

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I’ll add my support here for bringing back beat calculator

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I saw the original posts for this when 13 launched and held off upgrading. But, I checked back here quick and saw it was apparently “Solved” but, really feeling gas lit and ripped off to find that it’s not even close.

I sent email to Greg Ondo to see if what I need is buried somewhere, of which fine if it is, but not understanding the choices made here by Steinberg and lack of clarity or care post launch on the matter.

Even in the first Cubase I had in the 90’s, well before Beat Calculator and even pre-VST. Getting bpm at any beat division on any Midi or Audio part was a few clicks and I didn’t have to fiddle with modes, tempo tracks nor tap like a chimp

STEINBERG Stuff, PLEASE, Return BEAT CALCULATOR. Thank you.

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I can’t believe some of you are not moving to 13 because of this. You can still run 12 on your machine at same time if you really want. the solution I posted works and is very very close to being the same thing. tap tempo is not a replacement I agree, but in terms of aligning to free form tracks mentioned buy a user above, it does get your tempo in the ball park which makes it easier to tell cubase where the selection ends. It was no different with the beat calculator, (which yes I did prefer) you still had to know where the start and the end of what you wanted calculated were. The only difference with the method I posted is that you’re selecting the opposite of what you’re used to being the time line. I think of it as “I want the TIMELINE (as I select it from L to R) to match THIS event” beit midi or audio etc.

once you get good at it, it’s actually quicker for two reasons, 1 - you don’t need to count it out. 2 - the entire process can be key commanded, which means it can be PLE’d which means it can become relatively automatic. make a keyboard shortcut for set tempo from event (and midi) and give it a shot for a week, you’ll be surprised how quickly you adapt and thats coming from someone who I believe posted the very first rant about it, I believe that was me right @Martin.Jirsak ?

I don’t think anybody refuses to buy the update from 12 to 13 because of Beat Calculator.
There are other reasons, too. For me a big thing is the removal of undos for VST instruments. I am using this every session in Cubase 12.

Then it was the faulty graphical re-design for a while. (White font on white background for a selected track, anyoone?)

The dialogs have been changed from using OS routines to using Steinberg’s own routines. The result is people complaining about bad functionality of dialogs.
Unfortunately the person in charge for writing the dialog routines came up with this when re-inventing their version of the wheel:
grafik

And that’s not all of it.
For me the advances of version 13 simply don’t outweight the sum of the disadvantages. Right now I would not use Cubase 13 if it were given to me for free. Your mileage may vary.

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Yes, there are ways around it and achieve the same results. But note, your particular method works with an Audio part present but not MIDI alone.

Of course a MIDI part can be turned to Audio to achieve the same etc., etc, but why should we need to do all these extra steps for something that was so quick and simple before

The point is the incredible convenience of the beat calculator… especially for those of use who need to work with non-rythmic/musical material and expected to compose music to it quickly in different styles (scoring video and such)

As well, it’s incredibly handy when you introduce raw audio or MIDI constructions with samplers that works poly-rythmically with the current project’s Bpm and you just need the bpm of that odd timed part to work out milliseconds for delays and other effects.

I understand this may seem like a small thing to be upset about to many, but I know I’m not alone and for the record, there is a very small list of items that make Cubase my daw of choice over others. Removing this connivence is a big one and I see others on par now. Being a Mac user, Logic is looking sweeter even cause at least I can get a number of plug-ins back via Audio Units that never had VST3 versions

Added to last… I do love that that the Steinberg Team tries new things, and items in 13 like the secondary left hand inspector for the Mix Console are awesome !

But ignoring the feedback from the user base saying this was fix for something that was not broken is incredibly disappointing and in hopes it’s not out of plain old stubbornness or arrogance like we see in many companies these days

Yeah that’s fair enough.

The method is the same with midi you just choose the option a couple down in the menu, set tempo from midi event (this is not the same as the other ‘from midi’ option which uses the actual blocks).

I work with non rhythmic audio all the time hence on my first post about this I said something like “the film industry is going to flip out when they see this”. Like I said, there is one very small difference which is the way you make the selection. The beat calculator which I used all the time as well, also required you to know where you were starting and where you wanted it to end, and as an additional step, you had to count that out and type it in as beats, arguably more time consuming than dragging the end of an event to a location, and selecting a hot key which is super quick.

As far as logic goes, trust me this will be the smallest of your problems, I’m also a logic user and wait until you try a film score on it, I encourage you to give it a go on a real project because I think you’ll very quickly forget about the beat calculator. (And so many more weird things, but I still love logic as well).

I worked on some sessions with a guy from Melbourne I respect and it changed my view on the grid. The software now lets us keep the players natural groove but still have a grid and click to listen to. Unless it’s wildly up and down, turn the click off and see if you can actually hear the difference. Depends on what you record I guess but I’ve for example after example of drum grooves where the grid has been set to it and then where the grid has been averaged over a length of time and flattened to one tempo, so then you have to edit the drums, so they’re in time with a click sound that’s not going to be on the final version of the track, and it sounds processed and rubbish. No wonder the drummers hate us, they come in and absolutely nail take after take and because of a software thing, we quantise the poopies out of it and sound replace everything we chase our tails down the rabbit hole. :joy:

But seriously that’s fair enough man, I do understand what you’re saying and it is annoying that a perfectly functioning tool which would have been one line of code was taken out for what reason I don’t know.

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Thank You !.. yes this is very helpful. Apologies, I was mis-understanding before

I still do wish for the Beat Calculator to return simply for it’s simplicity… but this does get the job done with Midi

More often than not these days, scoring video/film can start with holding one long note or chord for the duration of a clip or scene and I was just lost how to build different ideas upon that fast with out that trusty tool.

Thanks Again !

Yeah the film work I’ve done anyway had nothing to with any beats or time signatures. I swear it would have been easier to just give them drones and fX sounds and just let them put it where the noises happen.

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HA, yeah know what you mean ! I do like to subtly fade in creative arps or percussion patterns often but, not all clients always bite.