Best Audio Interface - Not Focusrite

I’ve re-read these posts and can add this: my MOTU 896hd is starting to go bad so I took the RME plunge with great hope and expectation. The UFX was defective out of the box. They are a great service company and quickly responded to my issue but with the UFX + due out soon, I opted for the BabyfacePro as a holdover til September.

Read thru forums where the users react to their product. This seems to show the less than brighter side of things that commercial ads won’t tell you.

BUT…remember, some users with the most vocal approach have only a small grasp on proper operation providing unfair reviews

Makes it difficult at times

Second to all the votes for RMEs.

Had Fireface 800 and 400, but sold them, as by the time we get back into recording, TI Firewire cards may be too hard to come by, so I preferred that they go to those who could use them now, while they still have a life, though they would probably last for many more years.

Long term, we would go for AoIP devices, but short-term a UR44 looks good value for the money.

FWIW do not spend credits on replacing something that is working, but get over the flaws.
With Focusrite, just boot the OS to its active state and then power on the hardware and it works fine.

kind regards,
R.

I don’t want to have my computer constantly running. There has to be a work around. Maybe start off with an explanation as to why this happens and then go from there.

Is that not better directed at Focusrite?

Loose all the power enhancements, these only will cause trouble!

I have complete audio 6 By native instruments. I wanna be able to let my computer go to sleep with my project up and come back to my work at a quick setup/startup. I hate having to restart my computer and opening up my project again just to run into problems of fixing my settings that were lost with the restart.

DAWs are programs that interact in near real-time with:
a. Hardware.
b. Drivers for that hardware.
c. FX programs, often in the same processing threads.
d. Samplers.
This is a lot more interdependencies than most programs have to deal with.

With interdependencies, each block of code has to maintain its current state of its end of each interaction. How well each does that is dependent upon the expected usage patterns foreseen by its designers. Maintaining state of realtime transactions is pushing that envelope, and when hardware is involved, it is also dependent upon how it manages saving its internal state between power-ups.

Thus, the state of the DAW is dependent upon a complex set of independent internal states. Any problem in one of those states can disrupt the whole operation, especially where they operate on a shared processing thread.

When ‘sleeping’ or ‘hibernating’, the theory is that all the information of those independent states is maintained. But that may not be the case, as the designers of any one of them may not have saved complete states, especially when hardware is powered down. When hardware is powered up again, it is not necessarily at exactly the same state as it was when it powered down, and even if all the software parts saved their states perfectly, the hardware may present in a way that may not be what the software expects.

When hardware is powered up, it goes through what is called a power on reset, which is usually triggered by hardware connections on each smart chip in it, whereas just pushing a reset button may only trigger a general input line that invokes a software reset, which is typically less pervasive. Settings are usually kept in non-volatile memory (NVM), and reloaded upon start-up. They will not necessarily be what is required to continue from where it was before power-down, as that may not be good if you want to do a completely different project with it.

The differences in those resets is why some hardware needs to be powered down, and left off for at least 30 seconds to let the power supply capacitors fully discharge, to get it to properly work after its firmware misbehaves.

Of course, sleeping the computer may not trigger resets in the hardware peripherals, but they may detect the loss of active assertion of communication protocols from the computer, and change their internal state accordingly. That change may cause the hardware to be less than ready to deal with software that, having come back online, may not be expecting to have to wait for the hardware, or have to re-establish its operating conditions. Sleeping and hibernation don’t deal with critical timing dependencies that may have been disrupted by their invocation. They deal with returning to the instantaneous state of the software beforehand. Timing dependencies become very critical when dealing in the millisecond timeframes of audio.

Hibernation may have done nothing to keep internal states of the hardware, and it may be dependant upon whether the driver kept track of internal states of the hardware, and its own, before the computer powered down. Again, it is dependant upon what the designers expected users to be doing with it, and to what events they programmed responses for.

So, is what you’re expecting in line with what everything was designed for? Is it realistic to expect that you can sleep or hibernate your computer with a session active and be able to continue afterwards? Maybe not for some combinations.

how the hell do i post my own questions. I have so many glitches with cubase. IT SUCKS

Yes and you will have problems if you keep your wish to have hybernating enabled, first try the suggestions poeple make to you like configuring all the power options to OFF. If then a stable situation appears you can look further into yopur wishes, but DAW software is very picky about these things and so is performance handeling of ypur machine dependent on the always on power schema!

RME all the way. I have the Raydat as my main audio interface. Feeding into that I have the…

  1. Audient ASP880 (8 Mic Preamps)
  2. Saffire Pro 40 (8 External Synth Inputs)
  3. DA7 Digital Mixer. (8 more Mic Preamps, Monitoring and Cue mixes)
  4. Behringer ADA 8200 (For any extra inputs I might need. Doesn’t get used much)

These are all connected to the RME via Optical Adat inputs.
I don’t even have the Saffire Pro 40 connected via FW. When I set it up, I did connect the FW and installed the mixer app and drivers. I got it working with the RME and then disconnected the FW cable.
So it is functioning as an 8 channel converter only. Changing the Sample rate seems to confuse it a bit though. So I keep the FW Cable handy.

Setting your sync source on the Sapphire to ADAT should fix it. I also have a RayDAT and several front-end I/O’s configured like that – works a dream, and no more driver worries.

I do have it set to “ADAT” and the led for the “lock” status is lit up. All the other connected devices behave as expected when switching the master clock sampling freq. Pro 40 not so much. I think it might need to be connected via FW for this to work as expected. I know of some other devices that work like that. Luckily, I almost never need to change sampling rates.

It absolutely should not need Firewire connected in order to sync; do you also have a fibre going from a RayDAT output to the Pro40 ADAT in? Another possible solution would be to use word clock, or S/PDIF if you don’t have the word clock card. If nothing works then it’s got to be something the Pro40.

Another happy RME customer here. For many years, I’ve been using an RME HDSPe AES card, which is hooked to a Lynx Aurora 16. This is a very solid and good sounding combo. I use an Audient Zen console connected to the Lynx.

-Tom

For low latency recording ITB I haven’t found anything better under 3000.00 than the UAD Apollo series.
FireWire 800 or Thunderbolt connectivity. Decent Mic-Pre’s, 2 Hi-Z inputs for guitar and bass, plus some nice usable high-end plugins. The software console has 6 input, 2 spiff inputs, 6 auxiliary ins and outs, 2
cueable headphone outputs, 2 aux sends and returns. We record drums, bass and rhythm guitar takes together with about 1.4 ms latency. So IMHO for tracking ITB there is no equal at this time. The DAW interface plugin can be put on any channel insert so there is seamless integration with Cubase when it comes time for mixing. Another cool feature is the ability to print or not print effects during tracking and the use of the auxiliary tracks to run almost latency free large VST instruments thru the Apollo console.

I’ve only had an Apollo a short while and I must say I’m impressed so far, tracking through the 610b pre amp plug sounds really rich if you want to add colour, running clean the pre’s sound sweet (although I thought the pre’s in my UR44 were great -and they are.) You’ve got to really watch the levels, there’s no attempt at softclipping and things get real nasty very quickly if you clip. There’s absolutely tonnes of gain too. I’m in love with the (upgrade) fairchild 670 although the 610b pre+ legacy sounds nearly as good but the 610 eats DSP cycles for breakfast. As long is this remains reliable I don’t see me ever having to buy another audio interface. My only complaint so far is the standard high pass filter sounds a bit brutal, but I beleive that’s tweakable.

What about Presonus audiobox 2x2 ?

Geez… thought there’d be a lot more love for the Steinberg interfaces.

I’m still using my MR816 and I love it.

Chris

Don’t use them anymore (Had a MR816 with a UR824), they still sound very good and just as good as mine Audient ID14.
The pre-amps are awesome, really!