Please help me understand if I am doing something wrong or if this is known as a bug. Thanks in advance!
The first frame or so of the sound event skips the automation:
Insert an audio event on a mono or stereo track. Best if the audio event contains high frequencies content.
Trim the beginning of the audio event so that it does not have any fade-in content.
Make a 1 frame fade-in.
Set the locators to audio event length (Ctrl/Cmd + P).
Automate the Equalizers Section of the Channel Strip OR Automate an inserted EQ (StudioEQ) with the following parameters: loop automate with a high cut at 2000Hz. Punch.
Listen to the automation by setting the cursor ahead of the sound event. The first frame or so of the sound event skips the automation.
The effect is not consistent. Sometimes it renders the automation as it should, other times it skips the first or so frames of the automation. This is not OK as you cannot have any control of the undesired effect.
Changing the EQ/Filter Transition from Soft to Quick in the Mixer menu (top right corner) helps with the Channel Strip EQ but not 100%. Rarely, it still renders the effect. And this setting does nothing for the automation of the plugin (insert) EQ. BTW, why in the world is this setting hidden in the mixerās menu and not found in the EQ section of the channel strip?
If you move the automation points two or more frames before the beginning of the sound event, the undesired effect is even less consistent: 50% of the time it renders OK, 50% of the time misses the automation.
Lowering the buffer size of the ASIO sound card seems to lower the chance the undesired effect occurs but does not eliminate it.
Rendering in place of the sound event, with the EQ automation on, renders it with the undesired effect.
This problem occurs on OSX 10.9 and also on Windows 10.
I have tried it on three diffrent DAWs (two OSX and one Windows).
I have Nuendo 7 (latest update), Steinberg UR824 sound card.
You have to have the eq on the fast setting.
But it isnāt perfect. If I understood the explanation I heard it has to do with both how the automation data is written and also it does relate to the buffer size.
Yes, I understand that it might not be a perfect system, but the problem is not strictly related to the buffer size and the way the automation data is written. Fast setting helps with the channel strip, but not with insert EQ. Even when you export the mixdown, the problem persists. And the automation data dots are placed at the edges of the sound event, outside of the sound event, as it should, with loop. So why the missing of the first frame?
May I ask, when the client wants a jump-cut on every scene change, how can you make a consistent cut, when the automation of the EQ misses the first frame of a sound, even if the automation data dots are two-three frames before the sound event starts?
I know that there could be no simple solution to it, but I have to find a way for my mixing workflow to work so that what I want to auto-EQ, sounds as I desired.
I could post a video with the problem, if it helps.
The workaround is to not do it that way.
Cut the sound at the pic cut. Place on different tracks and have different settings on each.
And as a mixer itās the way I want it anyway. I personally dislike āinlineā drastic mix changes they are harder to catch.
Letās say I have three scenes with different ambiences (sound events) for each. Are you suggesting that I make a track for each different ambience?
Because if a program will have many ambiences on a scene and/or many scenes in a reel, this would make a hell of a project session.
And I counted only the ambiences.
I usually work with ambiences cut in checkerboard on scene change, so I can have an efficient track count.
But if I work this way, I have to automate EQ each ambience so that it has its own EQ.
Thus I start having the problem I was complaining in the first post.
Itās also true that I can apply a processed EQ on the sound event itself, but that would defeat the usefulness of the automation.
So is there any way I could solve this problem, by workflow or by other means I am still missing in Nuendo?
I agree with Erik, although I think it does depend somewhat on what type of content youāre working on and how many people are working on it.
With a fair amount of content I work on the actual āaestheticā of sound doesnāt change over scenes, meaning itās all fairly dry production audio driving it all for sports, lifestyle, reality and doc style stuff. So if Iām doing it all myself I know what Iām looking at once Iām finally mixing it and itās not an issue having content āin-lineā.
But for a lot of other content it really does make sense not only to split it up and checkerboard between scenes but also along cuts. There can be big enough differences between the production audio between cuts both in whatās recorded and what you eventually want aesthetically, so it warrants splitting it up more frequently.
Iād say hopefully the ālossā in increased track count and maybe spending more time dialog editing is made up for by easier and maybe more āflexibleā mixing later.
Well i dont know if this makes anything better but I stumbled across this post just now as i have expierienced this just today.
So after more than 7 years the eq automation is still not reliable on export.
I changed the behavior to fast and it seems to be working now but I dont understand how it is possible for a major āprofessionalā DAW to be as unpredictable as that.
It works perfectly when i use an external EQ plugin so thats my way to go from now on i guess.
I also suffer from occasional clicks on the final renders which can only be reproduced when i play the projects from the beginning (fun if it occurs at minute 98 of your program) but not if i start from anywhere elseā¦
Iām just very dissapointed by all of that. It really makes me uncomfortable using nuendo as i have to completetly check every mix i send to customers if it is actually like i mixed it.
Interesting, do you have this on newest Nuendo 13.0.51?
You can hear those occasional clicks in the project only when you start from the beginning, and they are in the exported file as well?
Iām asking just for a clarification, if I understand everything from your post correctly
Interesting, good to know. Iāve been eyeing to switch the boat from Logic Pro to Nuendo, because I donāt like how Logic handles video and canāt fully bypass plugins to also bypass their latency.
