Cautionary clef issue in Dorico for iPad

I’m having issues with editing sheet music that I transcribed using Audiveris, had it output to MXL and then imported into Dorico free for iPad (no engraving options). Disregard that it’s a complete mess right now, I’ve only just started editing it. But I got stuck at removing the cautionary clef at the end of the first system. I think it ended up there because the first clef in the system was originally placed at B not G. I moved this to its proper G clef position, but the cautionary clef remains. How can I get tid of it?

Is this clef (the cautionary one or the main one at the beginning of the 2nd system) selectable? I.e. does it turn orange when you click it? If so, it should be possible to just delete it (click the trash).

If not, could you upload the file here?

If the clef at the beginning wasn’t the correct one, it might be because the instrument itself isn’t the right one — this can happen with XML imports. In that case, it may be wiser to change the instrument rather than enter a clef that isn’t its default clef.

Thanks, I changed the instrument when I imported the XML. The chef is selectable and can be deleted, but when I do, all systems thereafter are transposed, as in the bottom image. I could just transpose them back, but I’m curious to learn what has happened; since the clefs are the same throughout, removing this clef shouldn’t change anything, one would think.

Here’s the file as well.

Nature Boy arr. Bobby Hesch for B♭ trumpet.dorico (870.4 KB)

If you activate the playback, you’ll see that the music is indeed 1 octave higher from the second system onwards. You can also see it in the key editor:

What I don’t understand is how this mid-system treble clef (which appears to be the normal treble clef) is transposing all the notes an octave lower [EDIT: @Janus found out the reason, see below]… If you replace it with a treble clef that you enter manually, you get the same result as when you delete it: all the notes jump up by an octave.

So, anyway, if you want all the notes from bar 8 to be an octave lower than what they actually are, you’ll have to transpose them… And to remove this strange treble clef.

This is by the way not the only oddity of this XML import, as you probably noticed (rhythm, incomplete bars…)

If you check the lower properties panel, you will see the clef has an octave shift applied…

Also, if you view>show signposts, you will see that all the bar lengths are messed up…

I suspect that Audiveris has produced a very poor xml file!

All these problems can be fixed (relatively easily) if you can reference what the original should look like!

Thanks @charles_piano and @Janus, much appreciated. That explains it: the clef had an octave shift applied in its properties, so I’ll just remove it and transpose everything after it an octave down.

The original is a PDF by Bobby Hesch that I bought from Sheetmusicdirect, so I don’t think I’m allowed to post it here for reference. But as you can see, Audiveris has indeed produced a very poor MXL file. I figured it has at least got me started, but I’m gonna have to do a whole lot of cleanup.

Not much: activate Singposts visibility, select one of the red signposts, do Select More (Shift+Command(Control)+A three times, delete. Select the first and only barline (correspondig with te x signpost), delete it. Select the first note, and apply a C time signature. In Engrave mode, choose Reset Layout. Activate inserts mode and insert the necessary rests, and/or change the rests or some of the note values, to make the subsequent rhythms slice to the correct position (accordingly your PDF). When you are done deactivate insert mode!

Thanks @Christian_R, appreciate it. I don’t have Engrave mode, but rest I will do.

Ops, sorry, I didn’t notice that this is for iPad. If you send me the PDF with a private message I can do it for you.

Edit: if you see the signposts for Frame and System breaks you can select them (also using Select More) and delete them: it is the same as pressing Reset Layout :wink:

Thanks @Christian_R, that’s a very kind offer, much appreciated. But this is all good study material for me; figuring out how to solve things.

I’ve used Dorico for about a year, and when I started I couldn’t read sheet music at all. What I’m doing here is transcribing some trumpet solos for Nature Boy, off a PDF that I bought, and learning more about Dorico in the process. With all the good advice I got in this thread, I think I’ll be able to figure out the rest.