Centering instrument names between a 5-line staff and a single-line staff

Hi everyone, I’m looking for a way to solve a specific notation issue. In a string quartet score, I need to add an extra “percussion” staff (single line) below each instrument to indicate percussive hits on the instrument’s body.

I would like the instrument name to be centered between the two staves. Additionally, the name should remain visible on the single-line staff even when the main staff is hidden (similar to the “group name” functionality in Finale).

I have attached an example of the layout.

I tried adding an extra staff, but I couldn’t find a way to change it to a single-line staff.

I also tried modifying the instrument definition (e.g. Violin) to add a second staff, but again, I was unable to change only that specific staff to a single line.

It would be extremely helpful to at least be able to change the extra staff to a single-line staff, even if only for graphical purposes.

Thank you in advance for any help!

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This is a royal PITA, unfortunately.

If I had to do this, and assuming that playback is not important, I would create a player holding multiple instruments, first trying with Violin and a single-line percussion.

If this doesn’t work, try with a vibraphone or marimba (5-lines) and a single-line percussion.

For then name, use the name of the player, but it may not become centred anyway, I fear … I will give this some more thought and get back to you. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

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I would use a separate voice on the instrument staff, assign it x-noteheads, and suppress playback. I would then use a hidden staff to supply the sound.

You could simply use independent voice routing. No need for an extra staff.

I just figured that, because the sound was percussive, a separate, one-line staff might be easier to manage.

No need. You could also create a playing/playback technique and route it to a suitable percussive patch, so you wouldn’t need to worry about voices.

Don’t know if cues could be used?

Jesper

I think there are many good solutions like this. But if you start from the premise that you need a separate percussion stave, you end up down the rat hole of worrying about positioning staff labels.

Exactly!

The OP asked for a multi-staff instrument where one staff is 5-lined and one is 1-lined, something that both Sibelius and Finale can do quite easily. Yes, non-idiomatic, non-semantic, non-everything, but it just works.

Getting the centered staff label is the problem. I couldn’t find a way.

Jesper

This was the closest I got.

Well well … that’s nice!

How did you get there?

Here’s the file. It’s two section players. The lower one is playing a modified 1-staff violin. Just can’t get rid of the 1 and 2. Works with single players, too.

Jesper

vln-1.dorico (545.4 KB)

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Well done @jesele!

With Staff Labels outside the music frames and the inner labels far away:

But I’m not very familiar with the possible consequences of this kind of workaround :grimacing:

vln-1.dorico (542,9 Ko)

Ditto.

Jesper

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Here’s another option. Staff labels (inner) paragraph style with zero opacity.

Jesper

vln-1.dorico (532.4 KB)

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Much better!

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Bravo, this is an impressively good solution!

Let’s hope the OP shares whether this is good enough.

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Thanks @MicheleGalvagno

Jesper

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Thanks Jesper! This solution seems very effective!

I tried your solution, but unfortunately, in the second system, if I hide one of the two staves, it automatically displays the staff number for the visible one (as you can see in the photo).

At this point, I don’t think it’s possible to hide the automatic numbering…