I’ve been creating a wind band arrangement of an orchestral piece using Dorico and its gone really well - brilliant Dorico!!. First playthrough in Workshop brought smiles. However if I transcode a string part containing a Divisi section on to a wind instrument I encounter key signature and accidental issues in the bottom Divisi stave. Say a Cello part onto a Tenor Sax. The key signature in the bottom stave is not the same as the correct one in the top stave, and accidentals appear which don’t appear in the top stave. The top stave is correct - the bottom not. How do I get a better result?
Are you using a transposing or a concert pitch layout?
the complete work had been transposed to band friendly key signatures before the part was copied across
Unfortunately there are some remaining bugs in the divisi feature, particularly when it comes to key signatures, but it may be that we can provide a workaround in the meantime. Are you able to attach the project itself so I can take a look at it?
Thanks Daniel, could I edit each issue or section or note or accidental of the stave myself which would have its own challenges or does it require specialist Dorico knowledge? let me reflect on attaching the complete project which is in the middle of edits following a workshop - best have a stable version with the Divisi section as the last item to do.
If you don’t want to attach your project, that’s fine (though I don’t think you need to worry about your music being judged by anybody here on the forum), but you can attach it to a private message to me if you prefer.
Thanks Daniel - don’t want to do that yet because I don’t have a stable enough version - having a good session editing including enharmonics
should have asked “how do i send it to you as a private message” - thanks
Hi,
Thought i’m not sure what “transcode” means , i will allow me to make a suggestion.
Assuming you have your orchestal part in one Dorico flow:
- Duplicate the flow and then in the duplicated flow (alternative save your file with another name and use the copy to prepare the staves for your new arrangement)
- find and select the first divisi sign post (in galley view should be evident where that occurs).
- Alt+click (copy) the sign post to the first bar of the flow (be sure that is the first bar of the duplicated flow and not the original one).
- With the new signpost stil selected use select more a couple of times to select all divisi/unison sigpost from the stave in question.
- Once all signpost are selected Ctrl+click the first one (the one created in step 3) to unselect just this one.
- Press delete. You should now have a divisi stave that goes from the beginning till the end of flow (and the key signatures and accidentals should appear as expected wwhen copying from there to other staves)
- Repeat steps 2 to 6 with the others staves where divisi take place.
After that you should be able to copy and paste without the problems you are facing with accidentals and key signature.
Regards
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And one doesn’t need to send a whole file; one can cut it down to just a few measures that demonstrate the situation one wishes to solve.
Thanks Rafael and Derreck, I’ve sent it to Daniel
Thanks rafaelv, I don’t understand how, but I think you’re suggesting that that process somehow deactivates clefs, key signatures, accidentals etc in the divisi sections of one stave in the orchestral score which can then be copied into one stave of a WindBand score which results in the correct rendered music in the player / part. I think your step 6 refers to an orchestral flow which is followed by a copy step into the windband player stave which then results in a stave containing the main stave and divisi stave. Having done that do I need to do anything in the copied divisi section to result in the correct clef, key and accidental corrected version?. By the way, the clef, key and accidentals (very few) are correct in the original orchestral version, it’s just that they appear “corrupted” in the destination WindBand version.
Thanks
Hi @bill1
Since divisi is involved and there is a known problem displaying redundant accidentals (in condensed staves) when the divisi happens after a key signature change Weird condensing behavior - #5 by dspreadbury, i just guessed it could be related. But thinking a little more about it i’d say there should be no problem copying the notes to other instruments.
And since you have already sent the file to Daniel the best option is just to wait what he says about it.
Thanks RafaelV - that post on Weird condensing behaviour by Daniel is interesting where he says “this causes Dorico to get confused about the key in the lower divisi staff, causing it to think that all of the notes require accidentals. This is something we need to fix.”
what I don’t know is whether those accidentals are automatically valid or purely erratically cosmetic. I can think through one but it takes time for me to think through all of them with insufficient confidence in my own conclusions.
Thank you Rafaelv
I tried to follow your excellent guidance but stumbled in a few places because I’m not as informed in Dorico as you are
It would help me if you could use a term such as source flow or original flow or orchestral flow throughout and then use say destination flow or target flow or Windband flow so that I can follow it more simply.
See below to take your original
Assuming you have your original orchestral part in one Dorico flow and your destination WindBand flow in another Dorico flow:
Duplicate the original orchestral flow and then in the duplicated original orchestral flow (alternative save your file with another name and use the copy to prepare the staves for your new arrangement)
find and select the first divisi sign post in the player of interest in the duplicated original orchestral flow (in galley view should be evident where that occurs).
Alt+click (? Ctrl + C?)(copy) the sign post to the first bar (the first Divisi sign does not occur until bar 119 of the duplicated original orchestral flow of the specific player from which I’m copying from ) (be sure that is the first bar of the duplicated flow ?? and not the original one).
With the new signpost still selected (how?) use select more (how?) a couple of times (there are 5 divisi signs of the flow of that particular player) to select all divisi/unison signpost from the stave in question (of the duplicated original orchestral flow).
Once all signpost are selected (how do I know to the end of the flow – if I take cursor off do I lose the selection - does that include all unison signposts too?) Ctrl+click the first one (the one created in step 3) to unselect just this one (how do I know nothing has happened to the others?).
Press delete (how do I know what I’ve deleted and I’ve deleted the right ones). You should now have a divisi stave (in the ??) that goes from the beginning till the end of flow (in the ??) (and the key signatures and accidentals should appear (in the ??) as expected when copying from there to other staves (in the destination WindBand flow) (should I copy the main stave separately because selecting the main part stave does not appear to select the divisi stave)
Repeat steps 2 to 6 with the others staves where divisi take place.
After that you should be able to copy and paste without the problems you are facing with accidentals and key signature.
Thanks
And it works the same in Write mode. A simple search in the online manual would help you here.
Hi bill1
Like i wrote before, after thinking a little more about the problem, i doubt that my suggestion could be a solution.
Again, let’s wait till Daniel takes a look at your project.
Or you could try to cut the project to a minimun that shows the problem and post it here (See #4 from this post Four simple guidelines to help us help you).
Regards
Rafael
Thank you RafaelV - yes, Daniel is looking at it and has provided useful comments - Regards Bill