I’m trying to change instrument from tenor sax (a Bb instrument) to Trombone, a concert pitch instrument. But when I do it as described in the link below, it only changes to bass clef. It doesn’t change key signature or transpose. Even though I selected C pitch bass clef trombone.
Stratus_trombone2.dorico (1.1 MB)
In the attached file, I changed the second instrument from tenor sax to C pitch trombone and did nothing else.
You are seeing the saxophone layout (as well as the score layout) in concert pitch.
In lay out options>players check “transposing layout” to see the transposed notation.
If I do that, The tenor part changes to Bb in the main score, but the Trombone part remains in Eb. And when I go look at the individual parts, both are in Eb.
Attached to this message is another arrangement I did a few months ago where I somehow got this right. This is the way I want it to be.
Go_Arrangement2.dorico (1.2 MB)
It works just as it should here. As @rafaelv said, the Score and Tenor Sax are set to Concert Pitch. Change them to Transposed and they show correctly. T Sax in F and Trom in Eb. Change the T Sax to Trom and all is in Eb.
Right, so it works if I change the key after transposing layout.
Next question, is there a way to change the key without changing any of the accidentals? Every time I change key, I have to go fix all the accidentals.
What do you mean about changing the accidentals?
Do your settings match the below user manual page, under where the red number 1 is?
That’s the dialogue for moving notes? I don’t want to change any of the notes, I just want to change the key signature without affecting anything else.
I was doing that by clicking on the key signature and changing it that way. That doesn’t move the notes, but for example, if a Db is added to the key signature, it puts a natural sign beside any D notes in the music. Is there a way to have it not do that?
At this point, everything got transposed correctly except the key signature. If I change the key signature without affecting anything else, I’ll be set.
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Sorry. I misinterpreted.
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No. Unless you transpose the notes, a D natural is a D natural and will be notated that way when changing key signatures.
You could try changing the signature, filtering notes by pitch (D naturals) and lower them by semitone?
Probably easier to fix it manually then work out what order I need to do things in to not end up in that position.
It isn’t a massive orchestral score or anything. Asking if there is a better way is more about me learning the software than fixing this once.
If I was doing what you’re trying to do, I would do what I suggested:
- change the key signature
- change all the D’s to D-flats
EDIT
If you have multiple pitches that need this, you can also do them in one hit.
I still feel like I’m missing something. Why are you changing the key signature but not the notes? I.E. if your going from E-flat major to D-flat, why wouldn’t you want an E-flat to become a D-flat?
I’m not sure, I did things a bad way somehow. I’ll have a fresh go at it tomorrow.
Somehow it got messed up through changing instruments and transposing.
With this document, the goal was to change both tenor parts to trombone and save that copy separately. Trying to make things easier for the trombone player who joined our band for practice today.
Somehow I have endless patience as an electronics repair tech, but little patience when it comes to learning a new software.
Fair enough. Let us know how you go or if you need more guidance.
Perhaps you should add a new Player that holds only a trombone? (Whether you eventually show or hide that staff in the full score is up to you.)
Then copy/paste both you old trombone part and your old tenor sax part into that new staff. Give that part layout to your trombone player.
I think you might need to use the Write>Transform>Pitches>Map Scale function.
You just have to get your initial setup right. The file in the first post has the score display in concert pitch – which is obvious at a glance because both instruments show the same key sig. Then apparently you began transcribing the melody as if this were a proper tenor sax staff, so it’s a ninth too high! (Except the first few notes, which are wrong by a semitone.)
When you changed the instrument, the key sig didn’t change because you were viewing a concert score. If you had written it correctly in the first place, it would go to trombone notation exactly as you expect.
Here’s a file with the right setup and the right melody notes.
Stratus melody.dorico (620.7 KB)
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It might be because I’m not updated to the lastest version, but that has all the notes on the tenor line. I also need it in Db concert. Easy enough to fix my original now though.
I tried to update to the latest version, but the steinberg download assistant won’t connect to the server, and the download page gives me the mac version when I click to download the windows version. I’ll try to update again later I guess.
Stratus_trombone2.dorico (1.1 MB)
In this version, everything is correct in the main score, but when I go to the individual parts, both are in concert key. Transposing layout is selected.
I have another song where I got this right, linked in a post above. Not sure what I did differently.
Concert pitch should be Db, so Tenor should be in Eb and Trombone in Db bass clef.
(some accidentals are messed up but lets forget about those for now, I’ll just learn how to not screw those up in the first place)
Is this a pro feature? I can’t find it.