in a piano only piece with 3 flows, how do you use a different piano sound for each flow ?
I find that if I change the vst instrument or patch on one flow, it changes all the flows.
I tried loading the 3 copies of the vst, but can’t seem to assign them to the flows separately.
thx,
You could use three different piano players, and assign one of them to each Flow.
This is something that will become easier to achieve when it becomes possible to assign individual voices belonging to each instrument to a different endpoint in Play mode, which is planned for a future version.
(@pianoleo) interesting idea. but would mean copying all the music to the new players (the new players have no music), and then deal with all that propagate formatting stuff I currently avoid by just using the fullscore output.
Would be nice if the player maintains its sound flow-to-flow unless changed. Play menu seems constructed to allow this, but it doesn’t seem to work.
If you’re only using the full score output, then all three players will appear in that score - there’s nothing to propagate anywhere. Assign Piano 1 to Flow 1, Piano 2 to Flow 2 and Piano 3 to Flow 3, or set Layout Options to hide empty staves throughout.
but all the music is already written for player1 for all 3 flows. so players 2,3 are empty as are their parts.
Is there an easy way to copy all the music to the new players ?
I see your point on the propagate though.
thx,
Assign all three players to all three flows.
Set Layout Options to hide empty staves throughout.
Go into Galley View, select the music on Piano 1, cut and paste to Piano 2 (or 3).
@pianoleo. I confirmed this technique prints and plays perfectly. thanks.
Hi all,
My problem is related, but this thread doesn’t seem to solve it.
I’m using the Arturia Keylab 88 to assign different sounds to the synthesizer in different flows. I assigned one sound in Synth in flow 1, then created a Synth 2 for flow 4, but when I assign a different sound to it in flow 4 the sound in flow 1 changes too.
They’re both in Port 1, but the first synth is in channel 13 nd the second in channel 14. Yey when I change one the other changes too.
Any ideas?
A new and relate problem. I took out, then added back Synth 2 but now neither 1 nor 2 show up in the score, even tho they are checked.
What am I missing?
I reverted to saved. So I’m back to one synth that works.
Any ideas on how to fix these problems?
Are you able to create different instances of the Arturia in Play mode and assign each flow (and piano track) to a different instance? Since the Arturia is a remote piece of hardware rather than a software VST, that is likely not possible.
Otherwise, can one assign different Arturia sounds to separate MIDI channels in the Arturia and assign each sound separately to each piano instance in Dorico?
This sort of thing would be relatively simple for most software VST’s, but I don’t know enough about the internal workings of the Arturia to say whether it would work there.
I went to the Arturia Community and they all said that I don’t know what I’m doing. (Neither do they, apparently, because none of them use Dorico). They said it has nothing to do with KeyLab 88, but that I need to learn how to set up separate instruments in Dorico.
I’ve tried as many ways as I can think of but no matter what I do, when I change the sound in Synthesizer 2 the sound in Synthesizer 1 changes to the new sound.
Any ideas?
Hi @donaldskoog1,
here how I would do what you need (let’s leave the Arturia controller keyboard out of the equation for now, and let’s concentrate only on the setup in Dorico):
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in Dorico Setup mode, create two players each one holding a synth instrument from the Electronic family.
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Set on which flow which synth should be visible (in my example Synth 1 is set to be visible in flow 1 and 3, and Synth 2 is set to be visible in flow 2):
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In Play mode, switch to VST and MIDI panel, and load two separate instances of Analog Lab V:
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Then in Play mode, switch the flows and you will se that only the chosen synth appears in your tracks list for every flow (in my example in flow 1 and flow 3 we have synth 1, and in flow 2 we have synth 2).
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Switch to flow 2, select the synth 2 track, and switch to the Track Inspector: there you need to load the instance of Analog Lab V that you want to use for synth 2 (the midi channel remains 1 because you are only using one instance per track*);
then switch to flow 1 or 3 (they have both synth 1) and load the other instance of Analog Lab V (also on channel 1*):
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To open your Analog Lab V plugin, once you select the desired synth track, you can press the E to open the plugin and assign your desired patch in the interface of the Arturia plugin.
Now you are ready to compose: in Write mode just input your music into the synth staff and the sound will be as set in Play mode (in flow 1 you will only have synth 1, in flow 2 you will only have synth 2, in flow 3 you will only have synth 1). You can rename your synth instruments if you like.
Here a Dorico file that I did with this procedure (Using the free Analog Lab V):
analog lab different synth in different flows.dorico (1.5 MB)
(*) I am not sure if you are using a different plugin, but Analog Lab seems to be a non multitimbral VST, so one instance per channel. Not sure how this will influence the possibility to switch the patches from your Arturia controller keyboard.
Add-on:
for better orientation (in case you need to make some changes in Play mode afterwards) you can also rename your endpoint setup adding the patch name:
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Thanks Christian! Yup. That did it.
I’ve copied your answer so that I can practice this without having to come back and ask the same question.
And thanks to everyone who had suggestions. I would never have gotten even this far if it wasn’t for everyone’s generous donations of time and expertise. This forum is wonderful, and I hope I will learn enough that I can contribute to helping others, as well as asking for your help.
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